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Wrigley is a lot less special now that it's covered in ads. A big part of what made it so beautiful is that it wasn't a modern assault on the eyes. Now there are giant video screens so we can know the pitch count, launch angle, and the official vodka of the Cubs. But at least the location is still nice.


Fine but you want the team to sign high priced free agents. They have to get money from somewhere. “Monetize everything”


What high priced free agents are the Cubs signing Denis?


Dansby was signed. That is a big contract.

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Wrigley is a lot less special now that it's covered in ads. A big part of what made it so beautiful is that it wasn't a modern assault on the eyes. Now there are giant video screens so we can know the pitch count, launch angle, and the official vodka of the Cubs. But at least the location is still nice.


Fine but you want the team to sign high priced free agents. They have to get money from somewhere. “Monetize everything”


What high priced free agents are the Cubs signing Denis?


Dansby was signed. That is a big contract.


He was the cheapest of all the SSs on the market


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You kind of have to be an asshole to think that Wrigley or Fenway isn't a special place.



What is it you think makes them "special"?

Same reason a 1920 house with a wrap around porch is special. I mean AI will never get it but certainly you should. They say the people of Sweden are happy in their 500 Sq ft box apartments with their fold down kitchen table, but I tend to doubt that.


Just because something is old doesn't make it great though. The two remaining old parks aren't particularly significant architecturally or stylistically. They remain. I assume that is what makes them "special."

There are definitely many quirks, some good, some not so god, in each ballpark. It's all part of the charm. I go to watch baseball, me more than anybody else should not really give a shit, but you have a a brain of plastic not to acknowledge the appeal. So stop. You're wandering into Brick/Biden territory.



I go to a lot of games at Wrigley. It's a fine place to watch a ballgame. I just don't see it as a "shrine" or "cathedral."

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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.


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I don't mind the ads (ads have been a part of baseball stadiums for decades, if not more than a century) nor the jumbotron (they put one in at Fenway and it didn't ruin anything). But, I never thought Wrigley was some magical place, so there wasn't much risk of loss for me.

Also, maybe I'm wired differently, but I don't place much value on the physical attractiveness of baseball stadiums. It's fun for 20 minutes, but then I want to settle into the game, beer, etc. and don't really care anymore.


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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.



What is it a shrine to? Mostly losing baseball? It's an old and not particularly significant building that has been radically altered from its original form. It's not as radical as the Soldier Field rebuild but it's had much of its charm erased in a similar way.

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I don't mind the ads (ads have been a part of baseball stadiums for decades, if not more than a century) nor the jumbotron (they put one in at Fenway and it didn't ruin anything). But, I never thought Wrigley was some magical place, so there wasn't much risk of loss for me.

Also, maybe I'm wired differently, but I don't place much value on the physical attractiveness of baseball stadiums. It's fun for 20 minutes, but then I want to settle into the game, beer, etc. and don't really care anymore.


That's how I feel. That's pretty much how everyone felt until some time in the 80s or 90s.

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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.



What is it a shrine to?
Baseball. People loved Field of Dreams. Now it's also a bit of a shrine. Also, why won't LTG accept Trump as his President? Trump took the oath and lives in the White House.


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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.



What is it a shrine to?
Baseball.


Really? So your ideal place to watch baseball if you were designing one is Wrigley Field? Fenway Park? Maybe it is. But you should stop acting as if that's objective truth.

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JORR wrote:
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I don't mind the ads (ads have been a part of baseball stadiums for decades, if not more than a century) nor the jumbotron (they put one in at Fenway and it didn't ruin anything). But, I never thought Wrigley was some magical place, so there wasn't much risk of loss for me.

Also, maybe I'm wired differently, but I don't place much value on the physical attractiveness of baseball stadiums. It's fun for 20 minutes, but then I want to settle into the game, beer, etc. and don't really care anymore.


That's how I feel. That's pretty much how everyone felt until some time in the 80s or 90s.


Everyone felt that way till Camden Yards was built exactly to feel like Fenway and Wrigley and other older parks.


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I'm in favor of good aesthetics for ballparks, where it does seem to matter more than it does for football or the indoor sports, but it's easy to get too wrapped up in it. The perfect example is the constant lament about Comiskey and "not being able to see the Chicago skyline." You can't really see it from Wrigley, either. So what? You get a really good view of the skyline when you're on the ramps coming in. You look at it, take a picture, and go to your seat. You don't need to monitor a skyline for three hours. With one very notable exception, it's not gonna do anything.

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The skyline backdrop at PNC is amazing.

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Yeah, Pittsburgh and Detroit were boomtowns at just the right time to throw up some cool skyscrapers. Plus Pittsburgh has the rivers and the yellow bridges. It doesn't look much like other places.

The complaints about not being about to see the Capitol that well from Nats Park, same thing. You look at it and then what? Watch the game!

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The skyline backdrop at PNC is amazing.


It was the perfect backdrop for generational talent Kyle Schwarber’s 450 foot playoff bomb off of Gerrit Cole


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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.



What is it a shrine to?
Baseball.


Really? So your ideal place to watch baseball if you were designing one is Wrigley Field? Fenway Park? Maybe it is. But you should stop acting as if that's objective truth.
It was designed and built in 1914. It's a historic landmark. It's a bit of a shrine. Also, it's a criminal act to cross the border without permission.


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Nardi wrote:
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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.



What is it a shrine to?
Baseball.


Really? So your ideal place to watch baseball if you were designing one is Wrigley Field? Fenway Park? Maybe it is. But you should stop acting as if that's objective truth.
It was designed and built in 1914. It's a historic landmark.


Right. The thing that makes it special is that it remains.

Saying how great it is is like celebrating the greatness of Mike Tomczak because he's the last '85 Bear alive.

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Kyle's HR ball is still enshrined as well, I think.

Baseball is a sport that embraces its history. Things come in and out of fashion. Wrigley has been back in fashion for about 40 years. The place is historic. The place has been upgraded (downgraded in some people's minds) with more modern amenities, and I suspect many would be complaining if they did not fix the bleacher concession area, add more informative scoreboards, and develop the triangle property among many other updates. If you do not like it, fine. But the place is packed. It is a major tourist destination. And frankly it is one of the best all in baseball experiences from hanging out before the game, the generally fantastic atmosphere inside the stadium, and then all the fun places to party afterwards.

If you prefer a big, stale parking lot around your stadium, then sure Wrigley is not your cup of tea.

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denisdman wrote:
Kyle's HR ball is still enshrined as well, I think.

Baseball is a sport that embraces its history. Things come in and out of fashion. Wrigley has been back in fashion for about 40 years. The place is historic. The place has been upgraded (downgraded in some people's minds) with more modern amenities, and I suspect many would be complaining if they did not fix the bleacher concession area, add more informative scoreboards, and develop the triangle property among many other updates. If you do not like it, fine. But the place is packed. It is a major tourist destination. And frankly it is one of the best all in baseball experiences from hanging out before the game, the generally fantastic atmosphere inside the stadium, and then all the fun places to party afterwards.

If you prefer a big, stale parking lot around your stadium, then sure Wrigley is not your cup of tea.


They made a mistake with the scoreboards. They should have moved the old historic hand-operated board to the right field side and put a giant state-of-the-art board in center.

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denisdman wrote:
Kyle's HR ball is still enshrined as well, I think.

Baseball is a sport that embraces its history. Things come in and out of fashion. Wrigley has been back in fashion for about 40 years. The place is historic. The place has been upgraded (downgraded in some people's minds) with more modern amenities, and I suspect many would be complaining if they did not fix the bleacher concession area, add more informative scoreboards, and develop the triangle property among many other updates. If you do not like it, fine. But the place is packed. It is a major tourist destination. And frankly it is one of the best all in baseball experiences from hanging out before the game, the generally fantastic atmosphere inside the stadium, and then all the fun places to party afterwards.

If you prefer a big, stale parking lot around your stadium, then sure Wrigley is not your cup of tea.

It's fine if you love Wrigley. It doesn't mean everyone has to think it's as amazing as you do.

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JORR wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
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It's a bit of a shrine whether you like it or not. Purdue Rick doesn't like that Biden was demented in 2020.



What is it a shrine to?
Baseball.


Really? So your ideal place to watch baseball if you were designing one is Wrigley Field? Fenway Park? Maybe it is. But you should stop acting as if that's objective truth.
It was designed and built in 1914. It's a historic landmark.


Right. The thing that makes it special is that it remains.

Saying how great it is is like celebrating the greatness of Mike Tomczak because he's the last '85 Bear alive.

I've been saying things for two days. They add up to Wrigley being a bit of a shrine. Also, Trump was elected 2 times, not 3.


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Kyle's HR ball is still enshrined as well, I think.

Baseball is a sport that embraces its history. Things come in and out of fashion. Wrigley has been back in fashion for about 40 years. The place is historic. The place has been upgraded (downgraded in some people's minds) with more modern amenities, and I suspect many would be complaining if they did not fix the bleacher concession area, add more informative scoreboards, and develop the triangle property among many other updates. If you do not like it, fine. But the place is packed. It is a major tourist destination. And frankly it is one of the best all in baseball experiences from hanging out before the game, the generally fantastic atmosphere inside the stadium, and then all the fun places to party afterwards.

If you prefer a big, stale parking lot around your stadium, then sure Wrigley is not your cup of tea.

It's fine if you love Wrigley. It doesn't mean everyone has to think it's as amazing as you do.


Just reinforcing my opinion with added material like basically every discussion on this board. My God we would save a lot of thread space if you just let people say their opinion and did not argue with them page after page.

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denisdman wrote:
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Kyle's HR ball is still enshrined as well, I think.

Baseball is a sport that embraces its history. Things come in and out of fashion. Wrigley has been back in fashion for about 40 years. The place is historic. The place has been upgraded (downgraded in some people's minds) with more modern amenities, and I suspect many would be complaining if they did not fix the bleacher concession area, add more informative scoreboards, and develop the triangle property among many other updates. If you do not like it, fine. But the place is packed. It is a major tourist destination. And frankly it is one of the best all in baseball experiences from hanging out before the game, the generally fantastic atmosphere inside the stadium, and then all the fun places to party afterwards.

If you prefer a big, stale parking lot around your stadium, then sure Wrigley is not your cup of tea.

It's fine if you love Wrigley. It doesn't mean everyone has to think it's as amazing as you do.


Just reinforcing my opinion with added material like basically every discussion on this board. My God we would save a lot of thread space if you just let people say their opinion and did not argue with them page after page.

Your opinion on Wrigley is noted then.

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It's completely fine if you hate the shrine or love the shrine or feel something in between about the shrine.


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Kyle's HR ball is still enshrined as well, I think.

Baseball is a sport that embraces its history. Things come in and out of fashion. Wrigley has been back in fashion for about 40 years. The place is historic. The place has been upgraded (downgraded in some people's minds) with more modern amenities, and I suspect many would be complaining if they did not fix the bleacher concession area, add more informative scoreboards, and develop the triangle property among many other updates. If you do not like it, fine. But the place is packed. It is a major tourist destination. And frankly it is one of the best all in baseball experiences from hanging out before the game, the generally fantastic atmosphere inside the stadium, and then all the fun places to party afterwards.

If you prefer a big, stale parking lot around your stadium, then sure Wrigley is not your cup of tea.

It's fine if you love Wrigley. It doesn't mean everyone has to think it's as amazing as you do.


Just reinforcing my opinion with added material like basically every discussion on this board. My God we would save a lot of thread space if you just let people say their opinion and did not argue with them page after page.

We have thousands of comments on the matrilineal mitochondrial DNA of modern day Jews and what that might mean for current day geopolitical conflicts.

I don’t think one comment on why wrigley is fun is going to hurt anybody.

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