After listening to Julie last night, and losing the headache she gave me blubbering about Joe Ricketts. Listened to S&W and thankfully not one JR mention in the stretch I listened to.
M&H were in full shock blubbering mode this morning.

Well then just take the dicks out of your mouth and say that next time old man.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Late middle-aged!!! Come on now, bro.

That actually is what I'm saying.

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The new left really has become a new religion. If someone does not think exactly like you they are a heretic who must be shunned.

Why is it "racist" to say that Muslims are my enemies? Being Muslim is having a belief system that a 10th Century conquerer had all of the insights into the human condition. That belief systems can be adopted by people of any race.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Certainly not the craziest take ever, but I disagree.

I think it's being called bigotry but some are just lazily saying racist.

I think that's a symptom of the disease, though. There's no nuance. They basically think the words racist, bigoted, xenophobic, ignorant, hateful, etc are all the same, and they just use an onslaught of these labels to shut people down and label them.

Regarding your prior post, I'm not saying that we shouldn't care about bigotry, but people need to give specific examples of how it impacts others. It's not enough just to say "that guy's a bigot." OK, so what? What do you want to do to him? Take away his rights? It's not illegal to be bigoted. But if someone can point to a specific instance of him violating labor laws, unlawfully discriminating, or causing harm to others due to his "bigotry", then OK, now we have something we can address.

The Muslim discussions are ones that I typically try to stay out of because I have Muslim friends who are completely normal, reasonable people, as I do of a lot of various religions. However, I would pose a question to everyone who is calling him "bigoted"... what if he's right? What if it turns out that Islam really is his enemy? That's not to say that there aren't good individual Muslims, but I think we can all at least agree that if Ricketts was dropped in the middle of some Muslim countries, he wouldn't last real long. So, is that wrong of him to consider at least some members of Islam his enemy? I certainly believe there are some Muslim countries that are the antithesis of everything America stands for. Does that make me bigoted also? And what is more dangerous: a country where we allow people to be "bigots" or one where it becomes so risqué to make observations about any group that we can no longer speak truths?

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You would still have to deal with the issues of the Obama comments.

Also, stop with the "Do you want to make it illegal?" questions. No one has said that. However, MLB and the Cubs have to decide if this is how they want to be portrayed without any response. Maybe MLB should come out with a statement that says "Joe Ricketts will not be punished because we think he may be right in what he said" and then we can all move past this.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

can someone point to one instance of muslims causing him personal harm

Like I said, I doubt his business has ever had employment discrimination against Omaha's five muslims

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I don't think MLB has to make any statement at all.

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Well, a certain percentage of people are bigots, which means a certain percentage of politicians/law makers are also bigots and it informs their decisions. So while it might not be straight away in your face demonstrable bigotry, it affects things.

There isn't a great solution though, so I see some value in your position just from a practical standpoint.

In defense of Joe Ricketts, all the really bilious stuff was coming from someone else's fingertips, Joe was either just forwarding it or replying "lol good one" to glorified Cheap Charlie posts.

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I don’t think he said do you want to make it illegal. Anyway, there is some truth to people using labels and not always correctly to shut down discourse.

As for free speech I think we all get it. There can be repercussions and there is a difference between sprts owners and a good on Daley Plaza with a bullhorn.

That said, do all things that percolate up after years need to immediately have to rise to the temperature of the son and require all sort of immediate attention from very important people? In this case I guess not and it’s mostly because as LYK alluded Ricketts as far as we know didn’t do anything to anyone.

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Joe Ricketts has the right to think and believe whatever he likes. He has the right to voice his opinion and share it with others. You can disagree with his thoughts and opinions. You can voice your opposition. He did nothing to break the law here. But in this crazy, politically correct, bullshit time, people seem to think that if you express thoughts that are not politically correct, that you should be punished. The only person who should be punished is the one who hacked into his emails and published them.

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Go Cubs!!!!

Chicago Cubs 2019 Slogan: It's not like we went around punching Muslims!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Bryan what about the question of it is not illegal to be bigoted. Isn’t the whole idea to not control how people think? Even if they are really rich and own the Cubs?

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It's being called racist nearly everywhere. I saw it on the news ticker for Good Morning American and earlier NBC. Here is the CNN take on it:



https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/us/sport ... index.html

The word racist is almost meaningless as it's being used now. It just means that person doesn't tow the line at this point. If you asked the vast majority of Muslims around the world would likely agree that this rich American businessman is their enemy.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Its interesting though that Muslims, maybe for good reason, are a protected group now.


People are still free to rip evangelicals and scientoligists without a problem.

As a show of goodwill, the Cubs should distribute home run balls encased in plexiglass that can be placed at the top of minarets in the Chicagoland area.

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It's not controlling how people think, its choosing to not be represented in government by people who think things the voter deems crazy.

Some don't want a democratic socialist like AOC or Bernie making policy
Some dont want War Hawks making policy
Some dont want murderers (Hillary)
Some dont want racists/bigots

I thought you were talking just this thread.

but he has put his money into the politicizing of these ideas

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And Catholics. Really any religion is fair game unless it's Islam.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Why is that? Is it because like Jewish the religious identity has overtaken the ethnic background?

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Ricketts isn’t in government.

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Not sure that’s fair and I am also not sure why I am defending a Cub owner. His money goes to political support. Those causes and candidates are likely varied with many positions. I doubt he supports “Evict Every Muslim”.

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What possible blowback will this have? The percentage of minorities attending Cubs games is very low. The demand for tickets is very high. If the small percentage of fans that are of minority background decide not to buy tickets because of this, the tickets will be swooped up by others quickly. All this will have had no effect, other than to possibly decrease the already low minority population at the ballpark.

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don't make me do the research on Joe's causes

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

That is why my thought is this is nothing substantial. It is just a way for people that disagree with Ricketts having his thoughts to try to get their pound of flesh.

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