http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1654175-what-is-baseballs-superior-overall-league-the-al-or-the-nl

It's also logical. When you take out the worst batter in a lineup(the pitcher) and add one of the best batters in a lineup(the DH) it's going to change the strength of the whole lineup.

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Just to derail this thread fully. I'm curious what the hard core baseball guys here feel about the DH. I hate it but I dont think its because I'm old school baseball but rather that I grew up a Cub fan so its all I know.

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With the odd amount of teams and daily interleague play I think two sets of rules is silly.

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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Which would you prefer?

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I hate the DH. If anything just skip #9 in the batting order. I hate the fucking DH.

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I vote NO on the DH.

I enjoy the maneuvers that the pitcher batting necessitates.

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You know me like that.

If were thinking that far out of the box let's let one hitter go twice


Trout
Calhoun
Pujols
Hamilton
Trout
Freese
Kendrick
Aybar
Ianetta

I'd bat Trout back to back. Just have a ghost runner.

Right field out and Pitcher's hand out.

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Yeah, was thinking about that, if the Ghost runner is in play Id go

Trout
Trout
Calhoun
Pujols
Hamilton
Freese
Aybar
Ianetta

IMU would bat Castro, Baez, Rizzo three times in a row. They would probably put up some impressive good power numbers, but have 73 errors and about 800 strikeouts

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How about:

Trout
Trout
Trout
Trout
Trout
Trout
Trout
Trout
Trout

I'm sure he would break all the MLB hitting records. I'm talking 140 HRs, 650 RBI PER YEAR.

Arrieta VS

AT&T Park 6.00 L NL
Busch Stadium II 2.25 NL
Chase Field 4.05 L NL
Citi Field 0.00 NL
Citizens Bank Park 0.00 W NL
Coors Field 16.20 L NL
Fenway Park 0.00 W AL ONE HITTER! But wait, how did he do that with the DH and have a 16 ERA the week before in the NL?
Great American 13.50 L NL But JORR says the NL is pitcher friendly, He just had a 1 hitter the week before in the nasty AL.
Marlins Park 1.29 W NL
Nationals Park 1.50 NL
PETCO Park 1.50 W NL
Rogers Centre 2.84 AL
U.S. Cellular Field 6.75 AL Finally a bad AL game. Still not a loss, so not a horrible start.
Wrigley Field 1.60 5W 1L NL


All his loses where in the NL. He had a one hitter and two no decisions in the AL. He had no advantage pitching in the NL. In fact, he pitched better in the AL.

You can chalk this up to more bullshit coming out of JORR and Co.

This would never happen, but i wouldn't have an issue with it. The only reason I'd prefer the DH is because pitchers aren't major league level hitters so i don't really want to see them swing a bat. But if you have only the non-pitching players go to the plate, i'd have no problem with that.

You don't understand ERA+, do you? Or maybe any statistics?

ERA+ represents a % of how much better a given pitcher is than other pitchers in his own league, using park adjusted ERA.

This allows us to see that Arrieta was 45% better than NL average pitchers, and Sale was 37-40% better than AL average pitchers. Number of runs given up does not matter...batting orders do not matter... it is all factored in when discussing ERA+.

So you cannot say that Arrieta would be worse or that Sale would be better if they switched leagues when discussing ERA+. Because then they would have different lgERA to compare to, and ERA+ would change to reflect that.

This isn't even a complicated stat - I'm not sure why some are struggling to understand how it can be used. Or are pretending to not understand.

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I don't know her ERA+, but 2014 Mo'Ne Davis had a better ERA than 2013 Chris Sale.

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Between your posts here and your advocacy of pumpkin spice IMU, its clear you don't understand much of anything.

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it's**

You also seem to be opting out of the discussion.

I've killed JORR and Frank in this thread. One of my better bodies of work, if I may be so bold.

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IMU saying Frank doesn't understand any statistics and yet he's the one who's been completely ignoring sample size the last 4 pages

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What? I was the one who created the initial comparison with a sample size that everyone in the discussion agreed to. 2014 Arrieta has been better than Sale was in 2012 or 2013. Sample size does not come into discussion because it is understood we're comparing one season vs. two seasons.

I made the statement - Sox fans said nothing supported my statement. Every commonly accepted statistic, advanced or otherwise, supports the fact 2014 Arrieta is better than 2012-2013 Sale. Now that Sox fans have no statistical ground to argue this...suddenly it is unfair to make the comparison?

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What I meant is that you're posting all these stats showing negligible differences the past 2-3 years and unless I'm wrong you're still not willing to say Arietta is better. And sample size is the obvious reason.

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You don't even grasp the subtle way Rick is trying to explain how dumb you are.

As for that idiot Juiced, it's clear he doesn't grasp much of anything.

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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

But I don't think Arrieta is better overall. I never made that argument and I never wanted to make that statement.

We're arguing about a season of Arrieta versus two seasons of Sale (either separately or combined to create a period of time). And 2014 Arrieta was more dominant than 2012-2013 Sale. And in 2012-2013, you lusted over Sale.

If Rick believes that the gap in skill between the lineups in the NL versus the AL is as large as the gap between the Little Leagues and the AL, I don't wish to discuss baseball any longer with him, because I don't think he is intelligent enough to discuss baseball with anyone. America and Inquisitor would look like Bill James and Keith Law in comparison.

But I believe Rick is trolling.

And either way, I'm skipping over it.

edit: And it wasn't a subtle way to try to make comparing different leagues look stupid. Major leagues are still major leagues.

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and why would that be? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Well, there's certainly some gap when one guy gets to strike out pitchers in most of his games and another guy doesn't.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Typical response from you. You don't have anything to counter the facts I presented, so you lower yourself to name calling and faces.

I thought this discussion was absurd before...it's reached a new level now. Next thing I expect to read is "well when Sale gives up 5 or more ER he's worse than Arrieta when Arrieta gives up 2 or fewer ER."

And for the seventeenth time, that is already being factored into both ERA+ and ERA-, but thank you for double checking.

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Come on JORR... I hope you really arent giving credence to Rick comparing the NL/AL to MLB/LL.

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