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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 6:36 pm 
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I thought the rules were changed on breaking up a double play? I was surprised they cleared him on the replay.

When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder. The slide rule prohibits runners from using a "roll block" or attempting to initiate contact with the fielder by elevating and kicking his leg above the fielder's knee, throwing his arm or his upper body or grabbing the fielder. When a violation of the slide rule occurs, the offending runner and the batter-runner will be called out.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 7:05 pm 
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first impression : Dirty play by Rizzo.


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RFDC wrote:
The umpire standing right there did not think it was dirty.

The review did not think it was dirty.

Pirates players said they did not think it was dirty.

How much more is needed?

Nothing.

That won't stop baseball dopes from ignoring that and pretend they know better than MLB.

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By the way, same type of slide also called safe in favor of the Pirates. http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4/2016/09/17/1170390583/1474084783466/asset_2500K.mp4

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 7:32 pm 
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Don Tiny wrote:
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The umpire standing right there did not think it was dirty.

The review did not think it was dirty.

Pirates players said they did not think it was dirty.

How much more is needed?

Nothing.

That won't stop baseball dopes from ignoring that and pretend they know better than MLB.

Originally Rueben Tejada said Utleys slide was a hard play :roll: you will always be pompous......maybe I'll post your pm to me to reveal what you really are :D

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Another example: https://youtu.be/imRhlUpE36Y?t=8m49s

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A seed at his knee tomorrow would be justified. But I do despise that sob.

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A seed at his knee tomorrow would be justified. But I do despise that sob.

Classy.

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It was a dirty play, i don't believe he's a dirty player

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Rizzo is old school. Plays to win. If that is dirty, so be it.


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Its not a dirty play. Sorry sox fans. I know you're upset. It's how baseball was played for 100 years.

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He slid toward the first base side of the plate with intention of taking out the catcher.

Still a legal play, the way it happened.

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A seed at his knee tomorrow would be justified. But I do despise that sob.

Every time I grow to appreciate you more as a poster, you post something like this.

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A seed at his knee tomorrow would be justified. But I do despise that sob.

Every time I grow to appreciate you more as a poster, you post something like this.

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I could've said earhole, but that would have been out of proportion. :D

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It was dirty. He changed his path to create contact, which is a DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULE below:

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When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
It was dirty. He changed his path to create contact, which is a DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULE below:

RFDC wrote:
When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.


Wrong. The umpire said no. And the review said no.

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RFDC wrote:
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It was dirty. He changed his path to create contact, which is a DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULE below:

RFDC wrote:
When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.


Wrong. The umpire said no. And the review said no.


I disagree. He changed his path.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
RFDC wrote:
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It was dirty. He changed his path to create contact, which is a DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULE below:

RFDC wrote:
When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.


Wrong. The umpire said no. And the review said no.


I disagree. He changed his path.

He was still within reach of the base easily.

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In this thread, a whole roster of dopes all wrote:
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 12:10 am 
Clean, but he will still get a fastball in the ribs tomorrow for it.


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This is basically a replay of the Coglan taking out Kang on the pirates 4 years ago minus the leg injury.

Rizzo will definitely enter the grey areas to win a baseball game. I don’t see Bryant making that same play. But I don’t believe he was trying to injury the catcher. He completed his intent that was breaking up a double play.


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RFDC wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
It was dirty. He changed his path to create contact, which is a DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULE below:

RFDC wrote:
When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.


Wrong. The umpire said no. And the review said no.
Again, if somebody did this to Contreras, Maddon would have went apeshit in the post game press conference.

Based on the way the Posey rule is written now, what Rizzo did is a violation and the umpires got it wrong.

And look Cubs fans, there is nothing wrong with saying this about the play; "Rizzo is not a dirty player, but he probably got away with one on that slide. It worked out for my Cubs and I'm happy about that, but a slide like that could hurt somebody"....because that is the truth.

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As I said earlier, I thought it looked out of line. I am waiting to see if MLB clarifies because at this point the umps ruled it clean and the review ruled it clean. I hope to God they're not really going to allow those types of slides. The catcher has no chance to protect himself, and it's worse because his leg is planted. It's actually much worse than the slides into second where in those cases the fielder can see the runner coming at him.

And yes, if that happened to Willson I would be extremely pissed off.

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Baseball play, not dirty. He was easily able to touch home plate, broke up double play. Lot of whiny bitches in here.

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As I said earlier, I thought it looked out of line. I am waiting to see if MLB clarifies because at this point the umps ruled it clean and the review ruled it clean. I hope to God they're not really going to allow those types of slides. The catcher has no chance to protect himself, and it's worse because his leg is planted. It's actually much worse than the slides into second where in those cases the fielder can see the runner coming at him.

And yes, if that happened to Willson I would be extremely pissed off.


Nice to see some honesty prevails with Cub fans after watching a goon go after a defenseless guy's knee/leg when the he was planted, turned toward, and in the motion to throw to another base...from well out in front of (& not pointlessly blocking) home plate. Rizzo has earned a whole series full of bean balls if the now old school baseball aficionados want to be honest.

Gutless. And I wish Chapman was on the Pirates for a couple of days.

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Malone may have been talking about Rizzo when he assessed Stone at the police academy

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I do not see how the slide today was dirty.
Of course you don't. If it was a Pirates player sliding into Conetreras you would see it different.

Jbills is correct.

Nope. Totally clean play, breaking up the double play. Being at home plate doesnt change anything.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
It was dirty. He changed his path to create contact, which is a DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE RULE below:

RFDC wrote:
When sliding into a base in an attempt to break up a double play, a runner has to make a "bona fide slide." Such is defined as the runner making contact with the ground before reaching the base, being able to reach the base with a hand or foot, being able to remain on the base at the completion of the slide (except at home plate) and not changing his path for the purpose of initiating contact with a fielder.


Wrong. The umpire said no. And the review said no.
Again, if somebody did this to Contreras, Maddon would have went apeshit in the post game press conference.

100% wrong. Maddon hates that rule and has defended guys using take out slides consistently since it's been in place.


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