Yup. The epic fuckup was passing on Verlander in favor of Quintana. They probably are in the WS again this year with Verlander and Gleybar Torres in tow.

What does Torres have to do with Verlander/Quintana?

If Theo trades for Verlander, he pays a lesser price, keeps Torres and the Quintana trade is never commenced.

Torres was part of the Chapman deal.

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Chapman tried to blow the WS too. Maddon just worked harder

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Jesus, I'm on drugs. I meant they still have Eloy /Cease.

They don't beat the Giants in the NLDS without Chapman's dominance.

Or win Game 5.

Who says that another closer couldn't have done that? Chapman has always been overrated to me.

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They don't win the WS without getting a dominant closer at the deadline. Hindshight they probably should have given up Schwarber for Miller instead

Careful ... 312's not gonna like that.

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They don't win the WS without Schwarber.

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Who says another DH couldnt have gotten a bunch of singles?

If you believe that then they don't win the WS without Chapman. Chapman cost a non major league player, , Yanks were not giving the Cubs Miller without Schwarber..and the Pirates weren't dealing their closer intra division. Those were the only 3 elite closers on the market.

Chapman's arm was hanging on by a thread at that point. Maddon had nobody else that he trusted in that pen. They don't get to the World Series- much less game 7- without Chapman.

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It's depressing to say, but Frank's Cub thought in this instance is correct.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
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How many division titles did Kenny Williams bring the White Sox? Did Kenny Williams bring Championships to multiple cities that had not won in over a century? GTFO of here with that weak shit.

Like I said, you all a bunch of clowns in this thread.

The same amount that Theo has brought to the Cubs you clown.

What does Theo winning in Boston have to do with his tenure in Chicago? Its possible Kenny could go elsewhere and win another World Series. Not likely, but possible.

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Also, if you subtract Andrew Miller off the Indians and place him on the Cubs, yes they absolutely beat the Indians without Schwarber, of course the Indians probably don't even make the world series without Miller so all this is, is an exercise in madness.

Welcome to the board.

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Kenny and Theo both have 2 division titles with the teams from Chicago.

Who cares what he did in Boston? Did you celebrate those Boston titles?

Listen, I get it. 2016 is all that matters. Theo won it all. White Sox fans felt the same way about Kenny. Many still do.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

BRick has me on ignore. Not sure if thats a good or bad thing.

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I am not going to get in a debate with you about Theo VS Kenny. No one thinks they are close to being equal.

He had 2 in 12 years! If we are comparing resumes, then yes it matters what he did in Boston or what Kenny has done since 2005.

He had 20 plate appearances and had a .500 OBP and a 1000 OPS. Almost entirely on the road. He even stole a base. The Cubs offense struggled without him in the lineup. He was responsible for the winning run too.

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Kenny Williams wasn't mentioned in this thread by anybody until you posted about him. Nobody said they were equal. You called everybody in this thread a clown- twice- and then posted your own dumbass clown thoughts. Take break from the board for the rest of the day, or stick a red hot iron on your face.

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Im not downplaying Schwarber as much as taking exception with your Chapman statement.

They were both key parts of winning it all.

You asked how many Kenny had and I said it was the same as Theo in Chicago. I guess next time don't ask dumb questions.

You made the point that 2016 trumps everything. That's cool. Most Sox fans view it the same way with 2005.

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Maybe I am being a little unfair but at some point in the WS the thought of killing Chapman and Maddon crept into my head. It intensified by the end of Game 7.

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Maddon rode Chapman like a mule...I recall Chapman throwing something like 25-30 fastballs in a row as he had lost the ability/confidence to locate the slider. His FB had dipped to "only" 98 and was very hittable as his arm was about to fall off.

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