Here's how:

Maddon was a "big upgrade" over Renteria becuase of his track record.
Ross is an upgrade over Maddon because he has no track record.

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Ross is an " unknown" he may suck.. but the players respect him n like him..they won't lay down on him.

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JORR's trolling you guys. Ignore it. He isn't going to address that there are different styles of managing and approaches for young teams full of prospects versus veterans that have been there. Personality managers versus game managers, etc.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I think it will be hard for Girardi to find another big league managing job period, let alone with a progressive organization like Epstein, Inc. The modern managerial prototype is a guy who does exactly what the numbers say in any given situation.

It's not easy for a GM to bully a guy like Girardi (or Maddon). If I had to guess, I think Theo probably subtly said something like, "Hey Joe, what do you think about playing Almora a little more?" And Maddon responded, "Oh, yeah, yeah, good player, I'll get him in there." Then when he didn't, Theo likely said, "Hey Joe, remember what we talked about? Almora?" And Maddon said, "Oh, yeah, yeah." And the next thing you know he's a lame duck manager. Those are conversations a GM doesn't need to have with the modern manager. It's understood.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

That's just claptrap. There's no evidence that Joe Maddon is more inspiring to 19 year olds than he is to 30 year olds.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Easy. We all have been reading your posts. You want a catcher. Not a goddam minor league catcher. A major league backup catcher, dammit.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

I won't be trolled, but I will just say this:

19 year olds relate to a casual 'bro' than they do a by the numbers 'manager' that follows his own well-known schedule 'guidelines' each and every night. A 30 year old that has been around has a larger appreciation for structure because they know the work and the routines that need to be put in for continued success.

Like most any other job.

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15 years in the bigs > AA catcher who couldn't get cup of coffee.

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It's pretty bad when Zobrist has to tell you to scratch him because Bote is red hot and should play. I don't care if they launch him today or seasons end. I don't think this team is winning dick this year, awful approach at the plate, sloppy defense.

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Is there any factual basis for those statements or are they just your feelings?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

So he's a good manager for 19 years olds and 38 year old Zobrist. Seems pretty specific.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

How many years did Earl Weaver and Whitey Herzog spend in the big leagues?

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I mean I could get a poll together but you wouldn't treat that as actual data.

I'd get paid more money if I could figure out a way to support these factual statements with some sort of analytical data. I'm good, but not that good.

Good talk. See you Saturday if you're at the game.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Haven't you ever managed a diverse set of people? Don't you make any adjustments based on their experience and personality?

I manage people with basically 0-6 years of experience, with a Master's degree or doctorate. So pretty much 24-32 years old. They have very different needs than our senior staff, and I'm better at managing them and teaching consulting. Once they have been with us for a while and are starting to write winning proposals, we move them to one of our managers who is better at coordinating those aspects of the business and doing less teaching.

None of us is objectively better, we are all just different.

Sports seem to follow a similar paradigm. At least from the perspective of 50 years of watching it.

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Until you figure out a way to support your statements with actual data, they arent facts.

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I would have fired him in the middle of game 7.

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Pick a lane, 312.

16 years as manager in the bigs >> Part time ESPN commentator for two and a half seasons.

smh

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Of course. But I'm not "better" at managing 19 year olds than 30 year olds or vice versa.

Beyond that, I don't think there is an analog between a manager in an American business and a baseball manager. Joe Maddon can't motivate Kyle Schwarber to be as good as Mike Trout but he could probably motivate Boilermaker Rick to be as good a garbageman as Seacrest.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I'm pretty sure Joe Maddon would fire me using the "Elmhurst Steve method".

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

He would motivate you by having you dress up as Santa in July.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I didnt know Rick was a member of The Lodge!

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Doubling down after being caught not knowing stuff.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

50% of managers were catchers in the majors.

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Citation needed.

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Last year, not really 50%, but pretty high.

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comme ... _catchers/

Joe talks about his days coaching in the Angels minor league system as the foundation of his baseball career. He mentions the hours he poured over data even back then, before it was popular, hinting he was on the ground floor of sabermetics.

Not true. Half of them were minor leaguers or cup of coffee guys

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Theo and brass probably are loving this and hoped it happened earlier in the season so they could launch Joe.

I’m on Joes side. He’s been asking for a legit leadoff hitter last 2 years.

After listening to Theo on the Score today it definitely sounds like everything is on the table as far as changes go. He said standing pat was not an option this year and there will be moves made.

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