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I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


cubs fans, for my entire life, have cheered when thinking warning track balls would be home runs. You can hear it on broadcasts.


You can blame Harry Carry for that. He called every warning track fly ball a potential HR. Harry," IT COULD BE! IT MIGHT BE!!!! OH JUST MISSED IT, STEVE!" (as the camera catches up to the ball and you see it was nowhere near a HR)

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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


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yeah hi Dan and Terry I'm tired of all this geometry in baseball. Oh the cosine of that fly ball was this and that, how about you go sign some relievers so we stop givin' up these home runs?

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yeah hi Dan and Terry I'm tired of all this geometry in baseball. Oh the cosine of that fly ball was this and that, how about you go sign some relievers so we stop givin' up these home runs?

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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


I used to think like this. Then I saw guys hitting in a cage with a Rapsodo machine. You could have a guy hit the ball with exit velo of 100, but at a 15 degree launch angle, it does not go very far. I think almost all home runs go out between 23-30 degrees. Exit velo and launch angle are the predictors for how far the ball goes.

Here you go.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast ... 25&type=la

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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


Agree! I'm don't want to know about War and FWar and the new baseball dictionary all the stat nerds have bullied into the sport into while alienating 95% of the regular baseball fans. And you notice whenever JD gives any insight about his playing days Boog gets instantly offended and backfires about how this projection or that analytics proves JD's playing career wrong! He takes it so personally! Fucking awful!


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Just think the Boog relies on these numbers a little too much. He repeats exit velocity ad nauseum.
Another example is WAR, sometimes I think people like Boog think its some infallible number.

Here is an example where the whole WAR number makes me wonder how accurate it is. I was looking at the '84 Cubs page on Baseball Reference and I looked at three players

Keith Moreland
Ron Cey
Henry Cotto

now here are the WAR for those players


0.5 Moreland
1.2 Cotto
1.5 Cey

So Cotto was a more valuable player than Moreland and nearly as valuable as Cey? Cotto hit .274 with 0 home runs and 8 RBI and stole 9 bases in 12 attempts. Very good defensively but....


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enigma wrote:
As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


There's nothing wrong with those statistics. The disconnect comes when someone insists that certain statistics make a guy a good pitcher.

I mean it says something that Nolan Ryan is the most difficult guy to hit. But there's more to pitching ballgames than simply being the hardest guy to hit. Only an idiot would argue that Ryan was a better pitcher than Greg Maddux.

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Which guy is the better pitcher?

Pitcher A: 3.72 ERA, 1.276 WHIP, 2.91 K/BB

Pitcher B: 3.81 ERA, 1.281 WHIP, 2.55 K/BB

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enigma wrote:
As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


I used to think like this. Then I saw guys hitting in a cage with a Rapsodo machine. You could have a guy hit the ball with exit velo of 100, but at a 15 degree launch angle, it does not go very far. I think almost all home runs go out between 23-30 degrees. Exit velo and launch angle are the predictors for how far the ball goes.

Here you go.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast ... 25&type=la

We playing a game or doing physics? Listen, no one is saying the shit doesn't work, but it's boring as fuck. It's robotic. It has no charisma.


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Here's baseball. It really makes you wanna pick up a bat and ball and head to the sandlot....and then bludgeon this guy to death.
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Which guy is the better pitcher?

Pitcher A: 3.72 ERA, 1.276 WHIP, 2.91 K/BB

Pitcher B: 3.81 ERA, 1.281 WHIP, 2.55 K/BB


I thought wins were the single best stat for assessing the value of a pitcher? How about you gives us that number and let us decide.


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The NFL broadcasts don't rely on such math, and they seem to do pretty well.


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Which guy is the better pitcher?

Pitcher A: 3.72 ERA, 1.276 WHIP, 2.91 K/BB

Pitcher B: 3.81 ERA, 1.281 WHIP, 2.55 K/BB


I thought wins were the single best stat for assessing the value of a pitcher? How about you gives us that number and let us decide.


For a starting pitcher. And not wins but W/L record. There is no great starting pitcher with a losing record.

Anyway, both guys are starters. Pitcher A has a .505 career winning percentage. Pitcher B has a .572 career winning percentage. Pitcher B has significantly more IP.

The point is, these guys aren't even close but certain stats might lead one to believe they are or even that Pitcher A was slightly better.

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enigma wrote:
As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


I used to think like this. Then I saw guys hitting in a cage with a Rapsodo machine. You could have a guy hit the ball with exit velo of 100, but at a 15 degree launch angle, it does not go very far. I think almost all home runs go out between 23-30 degrees. Exit velo and launch angle are the predictors for how far the ball goes.

Here you go.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast ... 25&type=la

We playing a game or doing physics? Listen, no one is saying the shit doesn't work, but it's boring as fuck. It's robotic. It has no charisma.


Well it is pretty exciting when pitchers are throwing over 100….so why is not exciting when a ball comes off a bat at 110? And launch angle is simply driving it well, meaning not in the ground and not a pop up.

I like traditional stats too, but I think looking at OPS or talking about BABIP is important to understanding the value of the hitter.

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I like traditional stats too, but I think looking at OPS or talking about BABIP is important to understanding the value of the hitter.



BABIP is supposed to be a pitchers' stat, i.e. all balls in play normalize around .300 so if a pitcher's BABIP is much higher than that we might expect that he has gotten unlucky and better days are ahead for him or if it is much lower we should probably expect that he has not been as good as it may appear. BABIP does not "normalize" for hitters. Some guys hit 'em where they ain't. Some guys hit a lot of balls right at the shortstop.

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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


I used to think like this. Then I saw guys hitting in a cage with a Rapsodo machine. You could have a guy hit the ball with exit velo of 100, but at a 15 degree launch angle, it does not go very far. I think almost all home runs go out between 23-30 degrees. Exit velo and launch angle are the predictors for how far the ball goes.

Here you go.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast ... 25&type=la

We playing a game or doing physics? Listen, no one is saying the shit doesn't work, but it's boring as fuck. It's robotic. It has no charisma.


Well it is pretty exciting when pitchers are throwing over 100….so why is not exciting when a ball comes off a bat at 110? And launch angle is simply driving it well, meaning not in the ground and not a pop up.

I like traditional stats too, but I think looking at OPS or talking about BABIP is important to understanding the value of the hitter.

It's not exciting because major leaguers have bat speed. HRs length is exciting. WTH is the matter with you? I don't care about the launch angle. I care about the fucking launch.


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I like traditional stats too, but I think looking at OPS or talking about BABIP is important to understanding the value of the hitter.



BABIP is supposed to be a pitchers' stat, i.e. all balls in play normalize around .300 so if a pitcher's BABIP is much higher than that we might expect that he has gotten unlucky and better days are ahead for him or if it is much lower we should probably expect that he has not been as good as it may appear. BABIP does not "normalize" for hitters. Some guys hit 'em where they ain't. Some guys hit a lot of balls right at the shortstop.


This says it's both: https://library.fangraphs.com/pitching/babip/


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I like traditional stats too, but I think looking at OPS or talking about BABIP is important to understanding the value of the hitter.



BABIP is supposed to be a pitchers' stat, i.e. all balls in play normalize around .300 so if a pitcher's BABIP is much higher than that we might expect that he has gotten unlucky and better days are ahead for him or if it is much lower we should probably expect that he has not been as good as it may appear. BABIP does not "normalize" for hitters. Some guys hit 'em where they ain't. Some guys hit a lot of balls right at the shortstop.


This says it's both: https://library.fangraphs.com/pitching/babip/



Think about that for a minute. McCracken ran the numbers and they indicated that all pitchers, given a large enough sample, have a BABIP against that is right around .300. That is to say that the difference between you and Nolan Ryan is really only walks, strikeouts, and homeruns. That was oiginally hard for fans to accept, but the numbers don't lie.

On the other hand, it's clear that guys like Pete Rose or Matty Alou have radically higher BABIP than Ed Hermann or Don Kessinger. It isn't that they got lucky. They directed the ball where fielders weren't. They were also fast to first.

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Pitcher A has a .505 career winning percentage. Pitcher B has a .572 career winning percentage.
A is probably Jose Quintana. And its only because he got off to like a 4-0 or 5-1 start to this season that he is even over .500 for his career.

Dude made some bank though, props to him.

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Pitcher A has a .505 career winning percentage. Pitcher B has a .572 career winning percentage.
A is probably Jose Quintana. And its only because he got off to like a 4-0 or 5-1 start to this season that he is even over .500 for his career.

Dude made some bank though, props to him.

Because he can pitch a little bit. There's no reason to knock know how. It isn't done with Buehrle and the two aren't much different.


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That's exactly right. Quintana can pitch a little bit. Buehrle pitched a lot of bit.

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Pitcher A has a .505 career winning percentage. Pitcher B has a .572 career winning percentage.
A is probably Jose Quintana. And its only because he got off to like a 4-0 or 5-1 start to this season that he is even over .500 for his career.

Dude made some bank though, props to him.

Because he can pitch a little bit. There's no reason to knock know how. It isn't done with Buehrle and the two aren't much different.


That is utterly absurd.

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Winning pitcher Jose Quintana is 1-0 vs losing pitcher Mark Beuhrle.


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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


There's nothing wrong with those statistics. The disconnect comes when someone insists that certain statistics make a guy a good pitcher.

I mean it says something that Nolan Ryan is the most difficult guy to hit. But there's more to pitching ballgames than simply being the hardest guy to hit. Only an idiot would argue that Ryan was a better pitcher than Greg Maddux.


After your epic flop on Pete Crow Allstar, I thought you would have excused yourself from future baseball discussions


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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


There's nothing wrong with those statistics. The disconnect comes when someone insists that certain statistics make a guy a good pitcher.

I mean it says something that Nolan Ryan is the most difficult guy to hit. But there's more to pitching ballgames than simply being the hardest guy to hit. Only an idiot would argue that Ryan was a better pitcher than Greg Maddux.


After your epic flop on Pete Crow Allstar, I thought you would have excused yourself from future baseball discussions



Don't get so excited about a good month. I remember when Cub fans thought Steve Dillard was the second coming of Christ. It's what Cub fans do. We've all seen this show before. You never learn.

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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


There's nothing wrong with those statistics. The disconnect comes when someone insists that certain statistics make a guy a good pitcher.

I mean it says something that Nolan Ryan is the most difficult guy to hit. But there's more to pitching ballgames than simply being the hardest guy to hit. Only an idiot would argue that Ryan was a better pitcher than Greg Maddux.


After your epic flop on Pete Crow Allstar, I thought you would have excused yourself from future baseball discussions



Don't get so excited about a good month. I remember when Cub fans thought Steve Dillard was the second coming of Christ. It's what Cub fans do. We've all seen this show before. You never learn.


Says the dude who thought Palka was an elite MLB hitter and Schwarber was a generational bust

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As an older fella who grew up looking at the normal pitching stats, IP, runs, hits, K, BB, I am not big into the numbers that Marquee puts out for pitchers, strikeout percentage, walk percentage etc. I also get tired of Boog and his constant mentions of exit velocity. Then on Tuesday's game along with exit velocity he added launch angle on Kelly's near home run....I believe it was something like 26 degrees. Can we stop with the geometry.


There's nothing wrong with those statistics. The disconnect comes when someone insists that certain statistics make a guy a good pitcher.

I mean it says something that Nolan Ryan is the most difficult guy to hit. But there's more to pitching ballgames than simply being the hardest guy to hit. Only an idiot would argue that Ryan was a better pitcher than Greg Maddux.


After your epic flop on Pete Crow Allstar, I thought you would have excused yourself from future baseball discussions



Don't get so excited about a good month. I remember when Cub fans thought Steve Dillard was the second coming of Christ. It's what Cub fans do. We've all seen this show before. You never learn.


Says the dude who thought Palka was an elite MLB hitter and Schwarber was a generational bust



I don't think I ever said Schwarber was a generational bust.

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Yep. Schwarber is one of the most monumental busts in the history of sports. He'll go down with LaRue Martin and Tim Couch as a generational turd.

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