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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:25 am 
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i know he wants to go back to boston but i think the cub should go hard after derek lowe. Id rather have lowe than dempster. not just because the postseason (although lowe has been very good in many postseasons) i always thought baseballs best sinker pitcher would be a nice fit at wrigley


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:05 am 
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as bad as the soriano deal looks it shouldnt "hamstring" the team


You're right. Why would paying a 38 year old outfielder $20million hurt the team? :roll:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
as bad as the soriano deal looks it shouldnt "hamstring" the team


You're right. Why would paying a 38 year old outfielder $20million hurt the team? :roll:



he probably wont be here then and the point is it wont stop them from spending.

seriously do you expect him to play out his full contract in chicago?

he wont


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:27 am 
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remember the immovable sosa contract they decided to trade him and got it done


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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as bad as the soriano deal looks it shouldnt "hamstring" the team


You're right. Why would paying a 38 year old outfielder $20million hurt the team? :roll:

We'll see Frank. Nobody was going to take Hundley or Sosa either. Soriano is a DH, not an outfielder.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:52 am 
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I do not expect him to the play the full contract length in Chicago.

I do expect the Cubs to pay at least 85 or 90% of that salary though.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:54 am 
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i think it will be about 75% but either way it shouldnt hamstring them at all


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Paying 75% of $18 or 20 million to a guy who is not playing on your team will not hamstring the Cub? O....k......

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:17 am 
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Revisionist history. Sosa had 1 year left on his contract and he had to agree to void his $18 mil option in '06 so the trade could happen. There are no option years to void for Soriano. ALL 6 yrs and $106 mil is guaranteed.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:24 am 
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i agree its a bad deal. but when people say hamstring or contract hanging over the team it sounds like it will stop them from making other deals. I dont think that will happen.

i think the yankees and red sox have shown you can work around these things. im not saying the cub will explode their payroll and theirs no ceiling but they should be able to pursue trades free agents etc. without the soriano deal stopping them


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:34 am 
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Stopping? No, thats silly.

Hurting them (hamstringing)? Yes, almost certainly.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:49 am 
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they will not hesitate to make a move because of the contract. they wont.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:53 am 
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over the last 10 years the cubs have had at least one overpaid player on the roster and it has never stopped them from acquring players. Sosa's 18 mil didnt. K wood's 14 mil didnt and soriano's 18 wont

the cubs are one of the few teams without a self imposed salary cap


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The fact that you seem to not be able to work the shift key, and that you just called #34 "Woods" takes away what little credibility you had.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:10 pm 
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losing the argument so attack the punctuation.

posessive kerry wood's contract

look frank some teams operate without budget restrictions.

you're wrong


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There is no argument. Soriano's deal will hurt the Cubs, in fact it probably already has. Period.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:19 pm 
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No i dont call him kerry "woods".
I wrote sosas contract the same way.

You know this. You lost an argument and went to the "all cub fans are stupid he thinks its woods hahaha im a sox fan i know baseball"

That was ill-advised and proves you lost.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
There is no argument. Soriano's deal will hurt the Cubs, in fact it probably already has. Period.



No it has not. Period.

I love how you use the word probably and then end it with an emphatic PERIOD.


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Actually when you look at how the White Sox and Cubs operate both the Javy Vazquez and Paul Konerko deal will hold back the Sox more than Soriano will ever hold back the Cubs.


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Keep telling yourself that. Hope you enjoy the world's views thru your blue tinted glasses.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:16 pm 
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No tinted glasses needed.

The Cubs havent set fianancial limits on the payroll in years.

The White Sox operate on a budget and their GM criticizes every deal as "ludicrous" to make cheapness seem frugal.


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Yeah great the guy made some good moves and won the series.
So did a lot of the people he criticizes.

He pointed at the Lilly Deal as ridiculous
Then signed Vazques for more the next year.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Lilly Deal


I went to school with her.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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I went to school with her.



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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
In the Sun Times, it was reported that Crane Kenny stated that the spending increases seen in recent years by the Cubs (Fukadome/Soriano) are not to continue and that in fact, some of the current players may not be retained due to budget restraints. The article went on to say that Kerry Wood, may be one such player not retained. This from a team that drew 3.3 million fans (an all time record in Chicago) and a team that will likely increase ad revenues, based on increased ratings on radio and television broadcasts. I thought the deal was, they improve the team and win consistently and we buy every ticket available. I might buy Kenny's song and dance about a rough economy, if it had any effect on ticket sales for the Cubs. But it has had ZERO effect. The days of the biggest outdoor beer garden are gone. Winning is expected and demanded. The fans have done their part in supporting the team to the hilt. This team must do its part and continue to work towards the Championship that has been everyones goal.


Once Dempster and Wood hit the open market, I have a hard time seeing how the Cubs keep both of them, and, at the same time, hope to upgrade other parts of their roster.

Dempster had a great season, and he'll get a big deal, I'm just not sure it should or will be with the Cubs. If they let him go, they will have Zambrano, Lilly, Harden, Marquis and probably Marshall. Still, a pretty good rotation, and, remember, this is the NL Central where the Brewers are likely to lose Sabathia and also Sheets, meaning they could head in the wrong direction. Pittsburgh and Cincinnati aren't very good, and the Astros/Cardinals aren't exactly powerhouses, basically average teams. If the Cubs and Dempster are able to agree to a below market deal (home town discount), then I think they may resign him, but I sort of expect some team to offer more years/$$$ than the Cubs are willing to offer.

As for Wood, I don't want him for 3 or 4 years, especially when Carlos Marmol is on the roster. I also don't want to pay Wood $12 million a season on a multi-year deal and regret it as soon as him arm falls off.

Letting both of these guys go seem unlikely to me, which makes me think that Kerry Wood, due to his Cub love, is more likely to be back.

Resigning either of these guys (or both) does nothing to free up payroll though because both were making very reasonable salaries this season (Wood around $4.5 million and Dempster $7.3) so they still have to move a big salary player, like Derek Lee ($13 million). With Lee, I think they are more concerned with getting his payroll off the books than getting another high priced player back. If they can move Lee for a younger starter pitcher or a left handed OF who's making only decent money, I think they would heavily consider it since it allows them to fill another hole, and free up some cash to make another move or two.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:02 pm 
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Thats even more than I expect. I just expect the team to be in contention for a title each year and win their division on a regular basis. If every now and then they could win a WS, I would be thrilled. By every now and then, I mean every decade or so. I try to be reasonable about my expectations. But the last thing I want to see is management taking a step backwards, after the fans have supported this team as well as we have, for so long.

35th st. Not-so slick....The fans had little to cheer for in the 2 games at Wrigley Field. Would you have cheered a team that committed 5 errors in one game and walked the ballpark in the other, while failing to generate any real offense in either? Those games were not well played at all. To cheer anything at all in either, was a struggle. Your comments are purely argumentative and not legitimate.


Even if Wood and Dempster leave via free agency, and the Cubs make no other moves, I still consider this team to be the favorite in the NL Central (that's assuming the rest of the teams don't go on a major spending spree, and get significantly better).


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I don't think they necessarily need to curb spending. Just spend wiser. Between Fukudome and Soriano alone, they have over $120 million comitted to just 2 players over the next few seasons.


They are going to curb spending.


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So, simply because the Sox were going to give him money (and they did NOT),


Didn't Fukudome choose the Cubs over the Sox even though the Sox DID offer more money? It's not like the Sox made the decision not to sign him. That's the way I heard it reported.

Regardless...YES...Fukudome was overpaid based on his shitty perfomance. He needs to turn it around big time for this not to be a failed signing.


Fukudome was offered more $$$ by the White Sox, and I believe the Giants. At the time, he talked about the intrigue in signing with the Cubs given their history.


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RodeoVann wrote:
if they cut spending and payroll, they can kiss my ass. They could have a yankee payroll and still make money, i dont want to hear "poor" talk from them.


I don't think they cut spending, they will probably increase their payroll, but I don't think it will be a substantial increase, and they will be forced to make more trades rather than free agent signing's to improve their club.


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