No Peavy

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

enigma wrote:

Harden was the type of guy you pick up to win a WS. A pitcher than potentially can dominate in the playoffs.

Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with that. Harden hasnt been more than a 5 inning threat in a couple years. You dont win in the playoffs with a pitcher that needs a backup (marshall)

enigma wrote:

I don't see myself has having low expectations, but realistic.

Ok well its realistic to expect 15 starts from Harden. That doesnt mean its a good thing.

enigma · **Joined:** Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:26 pm **Posts:** 1576

Well if it was a decision between Harden or Gallagher i would have picked Harden.

Harden/Joe blanton?

Harden/Randy Wolf

I still pick Harden. I would take six strong innings.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

enigma wrote:

Well if it was a decision between Harden or Gallagher i would have picked Harden.

Harden/Joe blanton?

I still pick Harden. I would take six strong innings.

Didnt I see Joe Blanton dominate a WS game?

enigma · **Joined:** Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:26 pm **Posts:** 1576

Blanton went six innings, which is what Harden basically averaged with the Cubs.

Harden in 12 starts pitched 71 innings with a 1.77 ERA
Blanton in 13 starts for the Phils pitched 70 2/3 innings with a 4.20 ERA

Fewer innings per start with a higher ERA for Blanton.

I am sorry, but if the goal is to win a WS, I pick Harden.

And besides, Blanton would might not have pitched for the Cubs in the playoffs. Lilly would have been #3 and if the Cubs still had been swept Blanton would not have seen the field.

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:25 pm

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I don't want Peavy. His ERA away from Petco is not very good and in Wrigley, he might well struggle. Plus, at 20 million a year, he would represent a huge increase in payroll. Lastly, he's had stints on the D.L. the past 2 seasons and that also makes me leery. If they want to up the payroll, deal for Brian Roberts.

Oh really?

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

If you read previous posts about Peavy, you would see that my stance on Peavy has been consistant. I think for the risk involved (trips to the DL 2 years straight) his salary (20 million) and his ERA away from Petco, he represents a poor gamble.

Consistant?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=28856&start=25&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=peavy&p=451604&view=show#p451604

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Compared with the White Sox, the Cubs have an outstanding minor league system. Compared to a lot of teams, the Cubs minor league system is pretty productive. But they do have room for improvement, as many early round draft picks do not pan out. But that is true for most every team. I'm more concerned with whether Ricketts will make deals to bring in Brian Roberts (Yes) and Jake Peavy. I want to see them win NOW.

Old Man River · **Posted:** Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:15 pm

enigma wrote:

Well if it was a decision between Harden or Gallagher i would have picked Harden.

Harden/Joe blanton?

Harden/Randy Wolf

I still pick Harden. I would take six strong innings.

Harden or Andy Pettitte?

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:41 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I don't want Peavy. His ERA away from Petco is not very good and in Wrigley, he might well struggle. Plus, at 20 million a year, he would represent a huge increase in payroll. Lastly, he's had stints on the D.L. the past 2 seasons and that also makes me leery. If they want to up the payroll, deal for Brian Roberts.

Oh really?

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

If you read previous posts about Peavy, you would see that my stance on Peavy has been consistant. I think for the risk involved (trips to the DL 2 years straight) his salary (20 million) and his ERA away from Petco, he represents a poor gamble.

Consistant?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=28856&start=25&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=peavy&p=451604&view=show#p451604

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Compared with the White Sox, the Cubs have an outstanding minor league system. Compared to a lot of teams, the Cubs minor league system is pretty productive. But they do have room for improvement, as many early round draft picks do not pan out. But that is true for most every team. I'm more concerned with whether Ricketts will make deals to bring in Brian Roberts (Yes) and Jake Peavy. I want to see them win NOW.

Absolutely consistant. You notice after Roberts name, I put yes in parenthesis. I did not do that after Peavy's name. I'm sure you saw other posts where I voiced objection to bringing Peavy in, but chose this one, because it seemed to allow for the possibility that I was in favor of the deal. I am not, was not, and will not be in the future.

Brick · **Posted:** Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:10 pm

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Absolutely consistant. You notice after Roberts name, I put yes in parenthesis. I did not do that after Peavy's name. I'm sure you saw other posts where I voiced objection to bringing Peavy in, but chose this one, because it seemed to allow for the possibility that I was in favor of the deal. I am not, was not, and will not be in the future.

You can't be serious.

Why would you in the same two lines say that you are interested if the owner will bring in Jake Peavy and that you want to see them win NOW.

I guess it's up to people to judge, but when you say you are interested if the new owner will make a deal to bring in Jake Peavy because you want them to win NOW I take it that you think getting Peavy will help them win now.

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:21 am

Listening and reading carefully is a skill. I stated that I was concerned with whether or not the owner was going to make deals and what deals he might make. I want Roberts, which I indicated (yes) and do NOT want Peavy. I am concerned about the possibility of the Cubs making both deals, as I think making a good deal for Roberts, greatly increases the Cub's chances to win a title. I am also concerned about the possibility of the Cubs making a deal for Peavy, as I believe that it would hamstring them financially and that he might well be a disappointment, if he were acquired. If not by virtue of performance alone, perhaps due to injury issues. I was clear about the deals I wanted the Cubs to make-Trade for Roberts, sign Furcal as a free agent and sign Abreau as a free agent. I was hoping they would be able to trade Lee in a deal with Baltimore, along with Marquis and Fontenot, which would open up 1st base for Hoffpauir. Plus, if they were to have made that deal, the money it would have freed up, would have not only paid for Roberts, but Abreau too.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I wanted the Cubs to make-Trade for Roberts, sign Furcal as a free agent and sign Abreau as a free agent. I was hoping they would be able to trade Lee in a deal with Baltimore, along with Marquis and Fontenot, which would open up 1st base for Hoffpauir. Plus, if they were to have made that deal, the money it would have freed up, would have not only paid for Roberts, but Abreau too.

Ok do you deal in ANY reality? I see you wrote wanted so ill ask...Did you think any of that had any chance of happening?

The roberts thing is the closest to reality and that is to say at one time it may have been a possibility.

Why waste your time on hoping for things you know wont happen?

I mean Id like Manny Ramirez Johan Santana and Grady Sizemore.

Phil McCracken · **Posted:** Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:40 am

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I was clear about the deals I wanted the Cubs to make-Trade for Roberts, sign Furcal as a free agent and sign Abreau as a free agent. I was hoping they would be able to trade Lee in a deal with Baltimore, along with Marquis and Fontenot, which would open up 1st base for Hoffpauir. Plus, if they were to have made that deal, the money it would have freed up, would have not only paid for Roberts, but Abreau too.

While I agree with the Abreu part all of the love for Hoffpauir on this board baffles me. He seems like a typical AAAA ballplayer who can stroke in the minors but is an unproven quantity at best in the pro's. While I definately have problems with Sleepy D-Lee to think that the replacing his bat with Hoffpauir's would be an upgrade is one of the most ridiculous ideas I have ever heard.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Phil McCracken wrote:

While I agree with the Abreu part all of the love for Hoffpauir on this board baffles me. He seems like a typical AAAA ballplayer who can stroke in the minors but is an unproven quantity at best in the pro's. While I definately have problems with Sleepy D-Lee to think that the replacing his bat with Hoffpauir's would be an upgrade is one of the most ridiculous ideas I have ever heard.

Im in Noooo way agreeing with anything Elmy says...but I believe Hoffpauirs numbers in the show have been decent

Keyser Soze · **Joined:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm **Posts:** 16923

He's not even on the opening day roster, right? I believe they have 39 players on the 40-man roster because they are looking for a back-up 3B/1B that hits right-handed. Isn't that why they've been linked to Rich Aurillia? Assuming 13 position players:

Soto
Bako
Lee
Fontenot
Theriot
Ramirez
Miles
Back up 3B
Soriano
Johnson
Bradley
Fukudome
Gathright

Phil McCracken · **Posted:** Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:01 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Phil McCracken wrote:

While I agree with the Abreu part all of the love for Hoffpauir on this board baffles me. He seems like a typical AAAA ballplayer who can stroke in the minors but is an unproven quantity at best in the pro's. While I definately have problems with Sleepy D-Lee to think that the replacing his bat with Hoffpauir's would be an upgrade is one of the most ridiculous ideas I have ever heard.

Im in Noooo way agreeing with anything Elmy says...but I believe Hoffpauirs numbers in the show have been decent

I just don't think there is a big enough sample size to make any real judgements about Hoffpauir. Fukudome's numbers in the show looked pretty good after 2 months of last season but once pitchers made adjustments he couldnt hit his way out of a paper bag. I just don't see the logic in swapping out an unproven commodity for a prove .290+ hitter who is capable of playing near a gold glove level of defense.

DegenerateDave · **Posted:** Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:19 pm

City of Fools wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I think for the risk involved (trips to the DL 2 years straight) his salary (20 million) and his ERA away from Petco, he represents a poor gamble.

Yet, you loved the Harden trade.

right, that's a good point...the Cubs gave up so much to get a 20 game starter and a potential 5th starter for this season...

I would have loved to see the Cubs get Peavy, but I kind of realized that it was a pipe dream unless they were able to unload some heavy salary in Derek Lee (no trade) and Soriano (no one wants).

I don't know how effective he would have been in Wrigley, but what it would have done is put Harden into the 5th starter role where they could protect him better - Peavy, Zambrano, Dempster and Lilly would have been nice, but hey the Cubs aren't the Yankees and they don't chase bad money with more bad money usually.

I am not real crazy about ANY of the off season moves the Cubs have made this year. I would have preferred Abreu over Bradley and I would have kept Derosa. I think the Cubs acted too soon in the off season and could have gotten some players at a cheaper price (Dunn signing for 5 mil? I know he's a butcher in the OF) than what they paid for Bradley and Dempster.

TOMAHAWK · **Posted:** Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:37 pm

Im still not convinced that the Peavy deal is dead. To me a lot of these deals dont make any sence if they dont get him. Im still pissed about Derosa, most of all.
I still think the deal is going down,and who ever says they dont want Peavy is just plain stupid. The choice is lets grab a great pitcher or not. Its not our money

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:15 pm

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I don't want Peavy. His ERA away from Petco is not very good and in Wrigley, he might well struggle. Plus, at 20 million a year, he would represent a huge increase in payroll. Lastly, he's had stints on the D.L. the past 2 seasons and that also makes me leery. If they want to up the payroll, deal for Brian Roberts.

Oh really?

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

If you read previous posts about Peavy, you would see that my stance on Peavy has been consistant. I think for the risk involved (trips to the DL 2 years straight) his salary (20 million) and his ERA away from Petco, he represents a poor gamble.

Consistant?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=28856&start=25&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=peavy&p=451604&view=show#p451604

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Compared with the White Sox, the Cubs have an outstanding minor league system. Compared to a lot of teams, the Cubs minor league system is pretty productive. But they do have room for improvement, as many early round draft picks do not pan out. But that is true for most every team. I'm more concerned with whether Ricketts will make deals to bring in Brian Roberts (Yes) and Jake Peavy. I want to see them win NOW.

Absolutely consistant. You notice after Roberts name, I put yes in parenthesis. I did not do that after Peavy's name. I'm sure you saw other posts where I voiced objection to bringing Peavy in, but chose this one, because it seemed to allow for the possibility that I was in favor of the deal. I am not, was not, and will not be in the future.

This was from February

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:16 pm

That was for all the lame Sux fans who thought I had done an about face on Peavy.

crosscheck · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:31 pm

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

That was for all the lame Sux fans who thought I had done an about face on Peavy.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=27267

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Nas wrote:

This could be a sign that something is wrong with one of the Cubs other starters.

It certainly could.....Or it might just be that Jim Hendry wants to put together the best starting staff in Baseball....

lipidquadcab · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:37 pm

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

That was for all the lame Sux fans who thought I had done an about face on Peavy.

You did do an about face...in October of last year, you gave us this gem...

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

But I love the idea of Peavy, if it can be worked out.

So tell us, what changed over the winter, besides the fact that your boy Hendry couldn't get the deal done?

crosscheck · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:40 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I don't want Peavy. His ERA away from Petco is not very good and in Wrigley, he might well struggle. Plus, at 20 million a year, he would represent a huge increase in payroll. Lastly, he's had stints on the D.L. the past 2 seasons and that also makes me leery. If they want to up the payroll, deal for Brian Roberts.

Of course you dont want him...now. This is vintage Championship Mountain...soon as the Cubs are out of the running for a player...Steve never wanted him.

I agreee on Roberts...its time to move on.

winner

Elmhurst Steve · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:30 am

crosscheck wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I don't want Peavy. His ERA away from Petco is not very good and in Wrigley, he might well struggle. Plus, at 20 million a year, he would represent a huge increase in payroll. Lastly, he's had stints on the D.L. the past 2 seasons and that also makes me leery. If they want to up the payroll, deal for Brian Roberts.

Of course you dont want him...now. This is vintage Championship Mountain...soon as the Cubs are out of the running for a player...Steve never wanted him.

I agreee on Roberts...its time to move on.

winner

Brian Roberts WAS the guy they should have focused on. Imagine if they had gotten him, instead of Bradley. With Reed Johnson hurt, they would have to be platooning Hoffpauir and Fox in right, but it would still be an upgrade over Bradley and Roberts at 2nd, batting leadoff....

cubbiegirlshamus · **Joined:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2321

Actually go to any Cubs centered MBs around the net and find if you go through history a lot of fans were at least wary of the trade.

Kenny Williams should get roses from Cubs fans from keeping Hendry from making this potential big mistake.

jimmypasta · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:59 am

cubbiegirlshamus wrote:

Actually go to any Cubs centered MBs around the net and find if you go through history a lot of fans were at least wary of the trade.

Kenny Williams should get roses from Cubs fans from keeping Hendry from making this potential big mistake.

I can't say I disagree. I would rather have the Cubs get Matt holliday or the catcher Martinez that went to Boston. I liked the Pirates trade.

Aggravated Sox Fan Bob · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:05 am

cubbiegirlshamus wrote:

Actually go to any Cubs centered MBs around the net and find if you go through history a lot of fans were at least wary of the trade.

Kenny Williams should get roses from Cubs fans from keeping Hendry from making this potential big mistake.

Too damned bad Kenny Williams couldn't stop Hendry from signing Soriano and Uncle Milton Bradley, I suppose.

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