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 Post subject: Re: Marmol
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:36 am 
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Besides, there were 2 errors, including one on the ball hit to score the winning run.

One of those errors were comitted by Marmol himself. But no worries, right? :roll:

Marmols fielding is 78th on my list of concerns.

Why did Derrek Lee turn into the DP machine? (i still start him over the 28 yr old budding superstar hoffpauir)
Is it lack of greenies? Just age? STD? WHAT?


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Marmols fielding is 78th on my list of concerns.

Understandable, but Steve was trying to make excuses for Marmol blowing the save-- "oh, there were errors behind him!" Yeah, errors that the pitcher fucking made.

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Marmols fielding is 78th on my list of concerns.

Understandable, but Steve was trying to make excuses for Marmol blowing the save-- "oh, there were errors behind him!" Yeah, errors that the pitcher fucking made.

I wonder where the cubs are currently at on Championship Mountain?...like on a scale of 1 to 101 years without a fucking championshiip


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I want Lee benched for Hoffpauir, but have absolutely no worries about Marmol.

"I think the earth is flat, but I do acknowledge that it revolves around the sun."

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uh oh - hoffpauir hit into a DP last night. fucking guy. he better not hit into another one or he is going straight to AAA on the greyhound express.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:28 am 
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WOW, two pages about a blown save during spring training.

Cub angst has started early :)


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Hoffpauir is one of the leading hitters (not surprised) in the major leagues so far in spring training. Lou has already stated that Hoffpauir will be on the 25 man roster. If Lee were not making 13.5 million, Micah would be starting. Marmol did make ONE of the errors in that 11th inning and Willie Aybar made the other, far more crucial error. I am not a bit worried about that. Marmol obviously made good pitches, as he had the hitters hitting ground balls, that should have been easy outs.

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If Lee were not making 13.5 million, Micah would be starting

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Just too add my 2 cents, Marmol would be my first choice as closer.

I like Marmol as a set up guy (I was one of the people who wanted Marmol as a set up man and Wood as a closer last year) and understand that just because Marmol was a fine 8th inning man, he may not necessarily be a fine closer.

But Gregg did not have a good year last year as a closer playing in a pitchers ballpark where there was minimal outside pressure, which is totally opposite of what he will face this year. Plus Daryle Ward's only meaningfull hit last year was off Gregg which scares me.

Plus as a closer Marmol might not be overused as he was last year, and maybe he won't go thru a month long slump due to overuse.

I would lean toward Marmol right now, but there are certainly good arguments for both sides.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Besides, there were 2 errors, including one on the ball hit to score the winning run.

One of those errors were comitted by Marmol himself. But no worries, right? :roll:

Marmols fielding is 78th on my list of concerns.

Why did Derrek Lee turn into the DP machine? (i still start him over the 28 yr old budding superstar hoffpauir)
Is it lack of greenies? Just age? STD? WHAT?


I think that wrist injury really has limited Lee. He doesnt seem to hit the ball with the same amount of authority since it happened. Because of this instead of getting under the ball with some lift on it to drive it into the outfield he has been hitting down and beating the ball into the turf. Very frustrating to watch. He is still a professional major league hitter and will be around .280 with 25 hr's and 90rbi's. Probably will never regain his pre injury form however and for all of this I blame Scott Eyre not being able to field his position against the Dodgers.

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Probably will never regain his pre injury form however and for all of this I blame Scott Eyre not being able to field his position against the Dodgers.

I still remember that clearly to this day. That might be the only time I saw two people injured on the same play that didn't collide with one another. WTF was Scott Eyre thinking in that situation? As for Lee's problems, I blame it on the wrist, along with roids. He has been on big decline since the crackdown.

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Probably will never regain his pre injury form however and for all of this I blame Scott Eyre not being able to field his position against the Dodgers.

I still remember that clearly to this day. That might be the only time I saw two people injured on the same play that didn't collide with one another. WTF was Scott Eyre thinking in that situation? As for Lee's problems, I blame it on the wrist, along with roids. He has been on big decline since the crackdown.

See thats why I think greenies...cuz the wrist theory and the rodis theory are kinda debunked by the hot powerful start he got off to last year IMO


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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Hoffpauir is one of the leading hitters (not surprised) in the major leagues so far in spring training.

You shouldn't be surprised! That's, like, every spring training! If he were able to hit major league pitching over the course of a full season, he would already be doing it at his age.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Probably will never regain his pre injury form however and for all of this I blame Scott Eyre not being able to field his position against the Dodgers.

I still remember that clearly to this day. That might be the only time I saw two people injured on the same play that didn't collide with one another. WTF was Scott Eyre thinking in that situation? As for Lee's problems, I blame it on the wrist, along with roids. He has been on big decline since the crackdown.

See thats why I think greenies...cuz the wrist theory and the rodis theory are kinda debunked by the hot powerful start he got off to last year IMO


Greenies make some sense D-Lee does seem kind of sleepy

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 Post subject: Re: Marmol
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how about we make Hoffpauir the closer and Marmol the 1st baseman?

If Lee were to be lost long term due to an injury I'm all for giving Micah a chance for a month to earn the job before going on the trade market to replace him

But then maybe the Cubs would be best off giving Z the 1st base job 4 out of 5 games! (wouldn't be surprised if he outhit Hoffpauir over a full season playing every day and I think they'd be about the same on D).


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Hoffpauir is one of the leading hitters (not surprised) in the major leagues so far in spring training.

You shouldn't be surprised! That's, like, every spring training! If he were able to hit major league pitching over the course of a full season, he would already be doing it at his age.


He did a good job when he got the chance last year and he would have been doing it all last season, if they had a position open for him. Unfortunately for Micah, the NL does not utilize the DH and with Lee making 13.5 million, they are not likely to bench him. They are not going to trade him unless they get a decent offer, as he is great insurance for Lee and will be a valuable bench member, who can take over Daryl wards spot as a pinch hitter and play 1st maybe 1 game a week, until the interleague games in the AL parks, where he will be the DH. I would love to see Lee pull a hamstring and be out a month. he would never get his spot back again. But he would be a nice guy to use off the bench. I like lee a lot as a solid team guy and a good charachter guy, but he just doesn't hit well anymore. Well, not well enough. Certainly not as well as Micah...

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don't worry, they'll all get their chance to blow a big play at their respective positions if they make the playoffs. it really doesn't matter where you put them. but i guess you can try to go through the motions.


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Lee's character is one of his weaknesses, not one of his strengths. He's an asshole to the fans.

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gregg looks great so far, he just keeps clicking off 1-2-3 innings. it sounds like he is healthy (he apparently had a knee issue, not an arm issue) and is really motivated to be the closer this year. hopefully he can continue this early success into the season.


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Actually Lee is great to the fans. When someone says a player is a bad guy to the fans that nobody else says it I wonder if that particular fan was being a jerk him/her self in their encounter or they caught him on a bad day? Believe me as someone who has run and/or attended quite a few events Lee was involved with he is not a jerk.

of course we have the boobs with the completely baseless steroid accusations. I have as much proof you are a serial killer as you do Lee is or was on steroids.

He broke his wrist a week or so into the 2006 season. That's why the decline happened after 2005.

It's like the bozos who claim Sammy was on steroids and proof is his decline started the year they started testing. First I am not saying Sammy wasn't but only a moron uses what happened in 2003 as proof.

A. He was another year older and players decline with age.

B. He crashed into Mark Bellhorn in the outfield in August of 2002.

C. He got hit in the head a week into the 2003 season.


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Whenever the fans put the heat on this team, he's always the first guy to run to the press and bitch out the fans. That's a Dusty Baker/LaTroy Hawkins bitch move. He was also swift to affirm Obama's meatball posturing about DA REAL SOUT SIDE FANS AND CUBS FANS JUST GO TO DA PRETTY PARK and say "yeah, that's all true, our fans suck." I'd forgive his petulance if he wasn't manufacturing double plays at an industrial pace all last year.

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Whenever the fans put the heat on this team, he's always the first guy to run to the press and bitch out the fans. That's a Dusty Baker/LaTroy Hawkins bitch move. He was also swift to affirm Obama's meatball posturing about DA REAL SOUT SIDE FANS AND CUBS FANS JUST GO TO DA PRETTY PARK and say "yeah, that's all true, our fans suck." I'd forgive his petulance if he wasn't manufacturing double plays at an industrial pace all last year.

Meanwhile Hoffpauir says Cub fans are the BEST!! He pubically denounced Barack Obama as a moron and has never made two outs in a game...much less in one play.


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Hey, numbnuts, at no point did I say "Micah Hoffpauir should start at first base because he doesn't hate Cubs fans," nor did I argue any variation on the theme "Micah Hoffpauir should start at first base," because I'd like to think my faculties are developed beyond "I can fog a window." I said that Lee should start, in spite of his bad attitude about paying customers, which is annoying but largely immaterial. You think I'm stupid or something? God darn it.

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Hey, numbnuts, at no point did I say "Micah Hoffpauir should start at first base because he doesn't hate Cubs fans," nor did I argue any variation on the theme "Micah Hoffpauir should start at first base," because I'd like to think my faculties are developed beyond "I can fog a window." I said that Lee should start, in spite of his bad attitude about paying customers, which is annoying but largely immaterial. You think I'm stupid or something? God darn it.

I thought it would be obvious I was referring to Elmhurst Steves man crush on Micah.
Your quite curious?


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It seemed like you were taking a shot at me. Sorry about that. Let's talk it out over some Dr Peppers.

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