Bricks around the stadium? Dark Green seats?

Are you trying to say that Wrigley Field somehow sets a standard for what a modern day stadium should be?

Who knew that any stadium that had bricks around it stole the idea from Wrigley Field? I guess you learn something new every day.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

OK...Cubs vs Sox argument = dumb...but fun at times.

More importantly - Aramis Ramirez is supposedly heading out on a minor league rehab assignment on Thursday...and potentially back in the line up next week! Here is hoping. Cubs need to sweep pirates and get a winning streak before they face the brewers.

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Yes, again you're right Frank. I was talking about the Cubs drawing more fans than the Sox. Except for the simple fact that nowhere in my post did I even make a slight reference to that. That only occurred in between the fatty matter in your head. Your own private conversation, how quaint.

All of those other stadiums you listed were built that way originally and, as far as I know, their occupants don't have a peculiar and creepy obsession with another franchise 8 miles away. (Please refer to Ozzie's comments in the S/T today for further proof of that ). The Sox had a stadium built for them (by us) and then changed it completely a decade or so later, because they weren't drawing any fans, right? A good decision on their part, because now they have to turn fans away by the thousands.

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A day after the Sox beat the cubs and have the better record the conversation instantly switches to how great our stadium is and how many more fans we have. It's like fucking clockwork.

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I'd love to hear more of an explanation as to how green seats and bricks around the stadium are somehow stolen from Wrigley Field, especially since the Old Comiskey Park had green seats and there are lots of stadiums that use bricks to improve the outer look.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I really don't see how the Ligue/Gamboa incident is comparable to the Dodger bullpen fight. The Ligue's came onto the field and attacked a defenseless man and beat him until they were stopped by players. At wrigley, some drunken idiot stole a hat from someone in the bullpen, and the players ran into the stands looking for a fight. That situation is very similar to what happened in the Detroit/Artest fight and happened because of the players' actions. The Dodgers could have let security handle that situation and it would have been diffused immediately.

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And you ignore the picture of the grounds crew cleaning up garbage.

The Ligue and Dodger incident are both ugly, but you simply cannot absolve Cubs fans. Cub fans were throwing beer on the Dodger pen and looking for a fight just as much as the players.

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wait....lets all kick the dead horse agains & again & again.

snore.

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Dipshit - the new Comiskey had blue. Think WAY BACK to that time. If they wanted to keep the look of the old Comiskey, they would have gone green in the first place, along with yellow railings and arches. Excepte they didn't. Even when they remodeled it. Yes, every team dreams of taking a new stadium, cutting off 15,000 seats, adding a low hung roof and several dozen poles to actually impede the view of the paying customer. They just can't afford to do it to their new stadium. Oh wait - didn't the division-rival Royals just make significant improvements on a much older stadium this year? That place looks a hell of a lot better than the Cell does right now, and I'm guessing they draw similarly in a much smaller market with a much smaller payroll. Go ahead Frank, repeat the attendance championship line for the 115th time, as if it's not relevant, even though it's exactly what we're talking about at this point.

I'm sure that all of the 'improvements' that the Sox made to a virtually brand new stadium are just a coincidence. The owner, the GM, and the manager all make reference (negatively) to the Cubs several times per year, without provocation. The next time one of the Cubs suits calls out the Sox negatively, for no reason, let me know. The Sox, and their stadium, are also-rans in this town. Always have been, always will be. They know it, you know it, everyone that only half pays attention knows it. So all of you (the Sox brass included) should keep whining, complaining, and randomly attacking the Cubs franchise. It has worked so well to solve the problem in the past - if you keep it up, one of these decades, the Sox will be respected as a major league franchise because of it. I'm sure of it.

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Name calling. That really helps your weak argument. The Sox had green seats for decades! They decided to go back to it. Any Sox fan will tell you the pre-renovation Comiskey/US Cellular wasn't a very good stadium.

The upper deck was poorly designed when it opened. It is much better now. The obstructed view has never been a problem for me but I'm guessing that is a problem. However, is it your assertion that they added these poles to match the impeded view at Wrigley as you seemed to say in the original post? That's a pretty stupid argument that the Sox are so desperate to be like the Cubs they added one of the worst things about Wrigley Field.

Good for the Royals. The Mets just built a new stadium too. I just thought I'd respond with random information too.


The stadium also has grass like Wrigley. I bet it's just a coincidence. The stadium has an open roof. I bet it's just a coincidence?

These things are not unique to Wrigley. When the Sox remove the jumbotron, fill the outfield with ivy, and start having celebrities sing the 7th inning stretch you'll have an argument.


What does this have to do with your crazy assertion that the White Sox added obstructed view seats, green seats, and bricks in order to be like Wrigley? Do you realize how ludicrous that sounds?


The White Sox aren't the team that hasn't won a World Series in 100 years and is known around the league more for Bartman, the Goat, Harry Caray, and being called the lovable losers more than anything else. I guess our definitions of respected as a major league franchise differ.

Just admit that your assertion that the Sox added green seats and bricks to the stadium to be like Wrigley was crazy and save yourself the embarrassment.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Hey dipshit (since you liked it so much last time) - they did 3 things to the upper deck when they remodeled:

1. Cut off 8 rows at the top.
2. Added poles in front of some of the seats.
3. Changed the angle of the roof.

Which one of those 3 things exactly made the new "design" that much better for all of those sox that you are speaking of? You know, the ones that still never sit there. m

The "design" is the same - same (far) distance from the field, same steep angle, same aisle set-up, etc. It's the same as before, it's just smaller with less desirable seats. Yes - a vast improvement over the previous design.

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All of which made it more aesthetically pleasing. You can sit in the last row of the upper deck at Comiskey and see just about every pitch/play perfectly.

You cannot say the same if you're sitting in either the lower or upper deck at wrigley.

They also enclosed the concourse to protect fans from wind and weather. So they did 4 things.

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I'm a little confused here - explain to me how the last row of the UD at Comiskey is a better view than the same row at Wrigley? Wrigley is closer to the field, closer to the ground, and both are up against the roof with the possibility of poles being in front of you.

Every seat in the UD at Wrigley is better than 1/2 the seats in the LD at Wrigley - In fact they may be the best in the house for actually watching baseball.

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I am not sure how exactly to explain it to you. The upper deck is superior to the previous one. I think it was an upgrade. You clearly don't.I've never had a problem with these poles. When I've sat in the upper deck, I've had a better experience than I did prior to the renovation.

The point still stands. Is it your assertion that the White Sox added obstructed view seats because Wrigley Field had them? Is it still your assertion that the use of bricks and the addition of green seats is because of Wrigley Field? Do you even realize how crazy that sounds?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

BR, I guess you didn't understand let me try a shorter version:

I think it is hugely coincidental that a franchise and their fan-base (Sox) that is continually obsessed with the other team in town and their fan-base (Cubs) chose to renovate their still new stadium by doing the following things:

-dark green seats
-greenery (including ivy) along the outfield walls
-bricks around the stadium
-a smaller upper deck with a lower roof including poles that obstruct seats.

You have chosen to focus on two of those 4 things since I posted them last time.

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Old Comiskey had green seats before Wrigley was even built.

The greenery in CF is newer, and if anything copies other ballparks (the aforementioned Coors, Safeco, etc etc)

The bricks are a throwback to old time, and again are more like the facade at Camden Yards.


I think your grasping at straws to make this comparison. Between the food, amount of restrooms, parking lots, beer company, team on the field, pumped in music, ticket prices, jumbotrons, and the other scoreboards, the Cell couldn't be further from Wrigley.



Now, apparently the Cubs brass thought the Sox had some great ideas because in recent years the Cubs have added the Batters Eye Grill (and the Sox had the stadium club) and the Captain Morgan Club (while the Sox had the bullpen sports bar). I guess you overlook that "coincidence" too though.

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Those two are the most ludicrous. I already explained why the other two are still crazy. I can do it again if you want.

Green seats- The Sox had them for years. If they stole the idea from anywhere, it was old Comiskey Park.
Greenery- Wrigley is not the only stadium that uses vegetation for decoration. It goes surprisingly well with the look of grass on the field and is an upgrade to a plastic tarp. If the greenery was across the outfield walls you may have a point. Simply having greenery in the background is not because of Wrigley.
Bricks around the stadium- This one confuses me greatly. Bricks have been used to enhance the appearance of walls for years. Did the Sox also steal the idea of using concrete from the Cubs?
A smaller upper deck with a lower roof including poles that obstruct seats- At least you are consistent. The Sox put in poles that obstruct seats to be like Wrigley? Taking out seats is a very common thing in sports arenas. It's the law of supply and demand. You decrease capacity but increase the price. NFL teams have done it. College teams have done it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Cellular_Field#Renovations
Go here and educate yourself. There were something like 50 things done to renovate the stadium. You have picked 4 things. Even those 4 things are weak because I can name 5 MLB stadiums that have the same thing except possibly the green seats which the Sox had for decades. None of the things you mention are unique to Wrigley. None of the things you mention are even unique to baseball stadiums.

Face it. You made a dumb argument and then got angry when you were called out on it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Well, one thing you have realize is, in the context of dominance of fanbase over play, neither Chicago team can even approach the Red Machine. While the White Sox have at least been able to provide the Major Leagues with a formidable second basemen at times, including Wan Aribe (I spell it the way it should be pronounced), and have a World Series Championship, neither side of town can approach the temerity of the Red Machine of the 70's.

However, what has happened to the stadia is a different argument. The Cubs' stadium of Wrigley field is indicative of their uselessness and museum-like perspective in that they usually do not field a great team, and they refuse to fix the ball park at the same time. I have four daughters. I would never take them to Wrigley field. I would take them to US Cellular field, but I would point out that the flaws in the new stadium and the flaws in the players are a useful tool to understanding, on the flip side, how dominant and great we were in our time. The Midwest itself does not offer a lot to look at aesthetically that is beautiful, but sometimes you can find certain things that are. But the problems that both teams face, and their fans, is their lack of greatness as a collective.

But to compare the two against each other, which can be done, it is still better to go to a ballpark that fields a competent team and fields a competent field; rather than go to a ballpark that has nothing but remnants of the past. While it is important to understand the past, it is far greater to understand my past, than Wrigley's or the Cubs'.

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Second is better than first when speaking in terms of basemen, and more specifically, me.

Jesus F'ing Christ, who the fuck cares about the ballparks? It doesn't matter if the Sox raze the current stadium and build a replica of Wrigley Field complete with urine aroma, lousy food, crumbling concrete, etc.

The team in this replica ballpark will still have won a WS in the last 100 years, while the team they are "obsessed with" has not.

End of story.

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RFDC thinks I'm retarded.

>yawn<
Nobody is angry Rick, not me at least.
Now go away kid, you bother me. Unless you want to discuss dilapidated and aging Big Ten football stadiums? You want to start with Evanston, East Lansing, or WL?

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Jake Fox is the next Hal Breeden! (Look it up,younger Cubs fans!)

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Keep with the backtracking. The tone of your posts was pretty clear. The use of the word kid is quite ironic when you had to resort to playground style name calling when your argument fell apart.

Maybe in the next renovation of those stadiums they can add obstructed view seats because they are jealous and want to be more like Wrigley Field.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Have you not heard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184

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Who gives a rat's ass about the stadium? What the hell does that have to do with anything? This is the DUMBEST series of arguments I've ever heard.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

However, you'll be damned if you won't give it your level best. Keep up the good work.

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Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

I see idiots on both sides... of which you are most firmly a devout member.

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Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

I wasn't going to even say it, but THIER isn't exactly a word either... but at least he's consistent.

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Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.