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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:17 am 
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Who would be a worse GM? cpguy or Hendry.

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Gonz is earning less than Pena this year. The extension would have kicked in next year when 50M+ is off the books.


Right, but then you sink 22m into him and still have gaping holes in LF, RF, 3B and moderate holes in CF, Starting rotation etc.

Not worth it.

I disagree. When you can get one of the top 3 bats in all of baseball, you do it.


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We got Garza: 4-7 with a 4.26 ERA.



It's not that easy. You think Fielder will sign for 18m a year and you think that we would have gotten Gonzalez for same prospect package that got Garza. With what money would be extend Gonzalez with? We don't have any. Obviously I rather have him than Garza if money were no object, but unfortunately it is. Couple that with the fact that this team is 5-6 players away from competing, having Gonzalez with an extension wouldn't affect our championship trajectory.

I realize the reason we couldn't pay him is because of Hendry's bad contracts, but unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about them.



My point exactly, well said.

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Who would be a worse GM? cpguy or Hendry.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:27 am 
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Adrian Gonzalez and Matt Garza are not comparable entities.


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Who would be a worse GM? cpguy or Hendry.

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Elmhurst 312-5309whistler.


Imagine being stuck with all 4 of those guys at a table talking Cubs. The end of the world couldnt come fast enough.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:33 am 
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is that a reference to me? what have i been wrong about?...i told ya beckham can not bat in the 2 hole and you disagreed..told ya beckham would be the worst 2 hitter in mlb...told ya beckham is a below average hitter...told ya the cubs would have an awful defense and finish in 4th place. told ya the red sox and phillies will meet in the world series

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:35 am 
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Certainly not. Its a reference to the 312 poster on the board who is a fucking rocket surgeon...

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hank...you are a homer...i do not talk sports with homers so do not worry about me sitting at your table.

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Certainly not. Its a reference to the 312 poster on the board who is a fucking rocket surgeon...






whistler is not even a real person...cp guy is a well informed baseball fan as am i.. and i do not know elmhurst

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cp guy is a well informed baseball fan as am i.. and i do not know elmhurst

Thanks for the new sig.

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312player wrote:
cp guy is a well informed baseball fan as am i..

He'd be a great GM. When he signs Prince Fielder to a 5-year $18 million/year deal he would be a hero. Only a great salesman such as himself would give $7-$10 million less than Prince will be asking for.

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glad to help buddy, how bout a case of cfl's on the house eh

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Plenty of ignorant sluts in this here thread

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Northside_Dan wrote:
Plenty of ignorant sluts in this here thread


:lol: :lol: I love the ignorant slut line.

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Id sign Prince 3 years/10 M per.

Id also trade Jeff Baker and Hayden Simpson for Roy Halladay and Chase Utley.



Sadly, even if those were possible....they'd still be a handful of players away. :(


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Who would be a worse GM? cpguy or Hendry.

Light'em Up!

Elmhurst 312-5309whistler.


Imagine being stuck with all 4 of those guys at a table talking Cubs. The end of the world couldnt come fast enough.

Hey now!


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Douchebag wrote:
312player wrote:
cp guy is a well informed baseball fan as am i..

He'd be a great GM. When he signs Prince Fielder to a 5-year $18 million/year deal he would be a hero. Only a great salesman such as himself would give $7-$10 million less than Prince will be asking for.

Prince will have a limited market, but the Angels will probably end up with him for 6 yrs, 120M or so. Ricketts will chirp about "going young", etc. and we'll be stuck will Lyle Overbay for 1 yr at 2.5M.


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wait, after all the "go young" talk, we're now complaing that we didnt get Gonzalez? typical Cub fans, they never know what direction they wanna go in

Hendry didnt go after Gonz. because of budget...leave it alone...actually Pena has turned out to be an OK signing for 1 year

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:58 am 
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whistler wrote:
wait, after all the "go young" talk, we're now complaing that we didnt get Gonzalez? typical Cub fans, they never know what direction they wanna go in

Hendry didnt go after Gonz. because of budget...leave it alone...actually Pena has turned out to be an OK signing for 1 year

Pena (10M) is making more than Gonz (5.5M) this year. How does that not fit in the budget?


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312player wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Certainly not. Its a reference to the 312 poster on the board who is a fucking rocket surgeon...






whistler is not even a real person...cp guy is a well informed baseball fan as am i.. and i don't know Kruger. Fixed.


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whistler wrote:
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Hendry didnt go after Gonz. because of budget...leave it alone...actually Pena has turned out to be an OK signing for 1 year


Agreeing with me for a 2nd time in a week? I don't like this one bit

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Forgive me, Im not reading this whole thread.

With all due respect CP Guy, the whole premise is ridiculous. As I've said Garza and Gonzalez are not equal or comparable.


But lets say in this fantasy world you make the trade. So now you're going forward with 4 less prospects, one all star first baseman, way less financial flexibility and you are still about 5 to 6 players away from competing.

It would not have been a prudent move. It wouldnt have made sense.


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I think the Cubs have designs on Fielder. Especially since B&B claim they won't sign him or Pujols. That means they will sign one of them.


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cpguy wrote:
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wait, after all the "go young" talk, we're now complaing that we didnt get Gonzalez? typical Cub fans, they never know what direction they wanna go in

Hendry didnt go after Gonz. because of budget...leave it alone...actually Pena has turned out to be an OK signing for 1 year

Pena (10M) is making more than Gonz (5.5M) this year. How does that not fit in the budget?


Pena was a one year commitment.

We have no reason to think the Padres wanted to talk to the Cubs.


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cpguy wrote:
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wait, after all the "go young" talk, we're now complaing that we didnt get Gonzalez? typical Cub fans, they never know what direction they wanna go in

Hendry didnt go after Gonz. because of budget...leave it alone...actually Pena has turned out to be an OK signing for 1 year

Pena (10M) is making more than Gonz (5.5M) this year. How does that not fit in the budget?


Pena is acutally only making 5M this year and another 5M next year rather he plays for the Cub or not. Better than the Mets still paying Bobby Bonilla.

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Forgive me, Im not reading this whole thread.

With all due respect CP Guy, the whole premise is ridiculous. As I've said Garza and Gonzalez are not equal or comparable.


But lets say in this fantasy world you make the trade. So now you're going forward with 4 less prospects, one all star first baseman, way less financial flexibility and you are still about 5 to 6 players away from competing.

It would not have been a prudent move. It wouldnt have made sense.

When you say Gonz and Garza aren't comparable or equal, what do you mean? If you mean Gonz is far better than Garza, with all due respect that is kind of what I am postulating. Garza isn't bad, but Gonz is one of the premier bats in all of baseball.


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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wait, after all the "go young" talk, we're now complaing that we didnt get Gonzalez? typical Cub fans, they never know what direction they wanna go in

Hendry didnt go after Gonz. because of budget...leave it alone...actually Pena has turned out to be an OK signing for 1 year

Pena (10M) is making more than Gonz (5.5M) this year. How does that not fit in the budget?


Pena is acutally only making 5M this year and another 5M next year rather he plays for the Cub or not. Better than the Mets still paying Bobby Bonilla.

Technically true. So the difference in '11 is 500K, the amount they wasted on Doug Davis approx.


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Do you honestly think Gonzalez makes this team a contender this year? With what money would they have extended him with? Under your plan, you better hope that we have the players in the minors to fill our holes at SP, LF, CF, RF and possibly C because we wouldn't have the financial flexibility to make any moves.

He's 29 right now, by the time Z's, Soriano's, Dempsters etc contracts are off the books (and you have the money to sign other FA's) he's well into his 30's and his performance is likely to start to decline, but you are still paying him like it's his prime.

So many reasons why it would have been a bad idea.

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