Why must you ruin everything?

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I see people complaining about catholics getting ripped all the time though.

With the two I mentioned, its like completely accepted to rip them and no one says shit.

An exercise in futility, since he has no position in the Cubs organization from which to be suspended or fired. There is no real way to get that pound of flesh.

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Idk maybe the majority always take the arrows?

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It makes media, talk shows and message boards move though I guess.

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#1 My comment was not limited to Ricketts, leash and I were discussing it on larger scale.
#2 Ricketts runs one of most powerful PACS in the country. He is very much involved in government.
#3 His son Pete is Governor of Nebraska

Wouldnt you want to evict your natural enemy?

Im not even mad at Ricketts but come on, man.

1. Oh I was limiting this to Ricketts
2. But he is not.
3. Makes no difference.

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Maybe but I doubt he sends checks to groups doing that. Just guessing though. It probably would have come out before some old emails.

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Ok, mike, The Ricketts have nothing to do with government.

His SON is governor. So if Pete Ricketts sent the emails it would be significant. A retired philanthropist is a very different story. He is not subject to the same scrutiny. If people don't like or agree with his thoughts and opinions, too bad.

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These(WallPaperSteve) are "your people" now, Leash.

Hell, I hope there are a bunch of bleeding heart liberals that can't stand the idea of supporting the Cubs now and will no longer go to Cubs games and want to sell their tickets. More good tickets available......okay with me.

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You dont even know what you're arguing here. Im not advocating for anything to be done to Joe Ricketts.

Again, so what ? What’s the difference between Ricketts doing that and any other rich person donating money to politicians who push their agenda ?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Right. Or for that matter, non-wealthy people. Donating to campaigns does not make one part of "government." He is not elected, and he is not a public "servant."

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Laura Ricketts eats the Bush and campaigned for Hillary. This is the Cub's ownership get out of jail free card. Bottom line. End of story.

You don't change minds by stepping on throats. All that accomplishes is entrenchment, resistance, and resentment. That's not to say bigotry shouldn't be brought out into the light. People change their minds individually, not collectively. Collectivism breeds collectivism and once that happens, everybody is in a bubble. If a guy is racist and breaks no laws, by definition he is law abiding. I don't know what more you can ask in a country with individual rights and freedoms. This world isn't Utopia, will never be.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

You think everyone who is in governemnt has an official title or office? Bit of a technicality isnt it?

There are many unofficial advisors that have no official title that are impacting every decision. Roger Stone is not a public servant but he is as responsible for Trump's agenda as anyone.


If you're just saying you cant hold him responsible like an elected official, I agree, but super pacs, donors and lobbyists affect our government as much or more than people who are actual public servants.

So circling back to my point. It matters. So it's reasonable for me to say "that SuperPac is run by a racist or anti semitic and it's informing his decisions." so take that into account when you vote or donate yourself.

No one is saying to arrest him.

People get punished in sports all the time with no law broken.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Also, re: bigotry

I kind of think we should all try and get along on this planet as much as possible. Just from a Humanity standpoint, I want there to be less bigotry.

Im not going to just lay back and enjoy it.

I think most people probably agree with that even though it's never going to happen.

The older I get, the more I think about how all I can do is control myself and hope to be a role model for others. I cannot coerce other people into acting or believing the way I do, with or without government. Maybe persuade them, but that is all. That's not to say I've never tried to brow beat people into submission and label them; we all have. But it doesn't work and is somewhat authoritarian.

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You don't have to lay back and enjoy it. You have freedom of association. When you join a collective to police thought, to police it without any laws being broken, you are intolerant.

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I don't think ignoring it does any good though. This is ultimately the free market at work. When you are a public figure you open yourself up to criticism of your ideas that I think everyone can agree were not great.

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I have no issue with people doing that - voting with their wallets. I can pretty much guarantee you this will have zero effect on Cubs revenue, however.

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What if someone is ignorant/uninformed and you shed some light on something that changes their opinion? Is that policing thought?

And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

As far as free speech goes he doesn't. Not anymore than Joe Kennedy was for his sons.

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Im not trying to limit his speech at all.

It is a long discussion I am not willing to have but I do not think that is a good thing.

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Oh, well if you aren't willing to discuss it then I guess that ends the discussion.

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