If Rick believes that the gap in skill between the lineups in the NL versus the AL is as large as the gap between the Little Leagues and the AL, I don't wish to discuss baseball any longer with him, because I don't think he is intelligent enough to discuss baseball with anyone. America and Inquisitor would look like Bill James and Keith Law in comparison.

But I believe Rick is trolling.

And either way, I'm skipping over it.

Come on JORR... I hope you really arent giving credence to Rick comparing the NL/AL to MLB/LL.

But I don't think Arrieta is better overall. I never made that argument and I never wanted to make that statement.

We're arguing about a season of Arrieta versus two seasons of Sale (either separately or combined to create a period of time). And 2014 Arrieta was more dominant than 2012-2013 Sale. And in 2012-2013, you lusted over Sale.

You clearly aren't getting the point here. I'm not saying the gap is the same. I'm saying there is a gap. If you'd prefer, let's compare the best pitcher in the minors, or Japan, or the Dominican.

We are giving credit to Arrieta for dominating more against different competition. It isn't quantifiable what Arrieta would do in the AL or what Sale would do in the NL.

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You clearly aren't getting the point here. I'm not saying the gap is the same. I'm saying there is a gap. If you'd prefer, let's compare the best pitcher in the minors, or Japan, or the Dominican.

We are giving credit to Arrieta for dominating more against different competition. It isn't quantifiable what Arrieta would do in the AL or what Sale would do in the NL.

No. You are using "dominance" as your argument here. You aren't saying that the NL and AL are close. You are saying that he has dominated the NL more than Sale has dominated the AL. Well, Mo'Ne was even more dominant than Sale was too. The very point here is that there is a difference in skill which makes the whole comparison stupid. That is the exact point I am making.

Mo'Ne may very well dominate her current level more than Sale. What exactly does that matter though?

Then we shouldn't keep track of any MLB records. Everything should be filed under AL/NL. In fact, they shouldn't even face off in the WS. There should just be an NL champion and AL champion.

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Ok. Fine with me.

Or, we could you know, try and apply some logic to things and put statistics in their proper context rather than bragging that pitcher A dominated league A more than pitcher B dominated league B.

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IMU just did. Checkmate.

Who's numbers are better this season? Isn't that more relevant?

Trolling or not, this statement is false.

IMU just did. Checkmate.

In the National League, the average 9 spot in the order had a .441 OPS with 5 HR, 37 R and 33 RBI.

In the American League, the average 9 spot in the order had a .612 OPS with 8 HR, 55 R and 49 RBI.

Over the course of the season, the AL lineup had 16 more RBI and 18 more R come from the 9 spot. That translates to .1 R/RBI per game. So over the course of 30 games pitched by a starter ...3 runs total.

The differential between Arrieta's 2014 season and either of Sale's seasons being discussed is greater than 3 runs over the course of the season. If we add those 3 runs to Arrieta (let's pretend he was charged with all 3 when he was on the mound, and that none were ever given up by the bullpen in relief during Arrieta's starts [i.e. worst case scenario for Arriera]) Jake Arrieta now has a 2.82 ERA. And since we would not have to compare him to AL pitchers and not NL pitchers, his ERA+ and ERA- remain better than Sale's.

IMU just did. Checkmate.

But I don't think Arrieta is better overall. I never made that argument and I never wanted to make that statement.

Most dominant starter in Chicago.

I made it about Arrieta being the best in the city.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

As I said, either say that Arrieta is better than Sale, or stop with all these stats that allow you to say he is better than Sale without actually saying it. Even I think it's a dumb thing to argue about unless you are making an actual point.

Then why did you? More than once!

:lol:

Frank comes back from the mat with a devastating blow!

I don't believe anyone here is required to defend their 'trolling / joke posts' versus their 'actual discussion' posts.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Arrieta's 2014 season has been superior to either of Chris Sale's first two seasons as a major league starter.

I don't believe anyone here is required to defend their 'trolling / joke posts' versus their 'actual discussion' posts.


Must I go back through your post history and quote each post you've made that wasn't 100% sincere? I'd rather not.

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Yup. It's over.

IMU played the "I was trolling even though I responded multiple times like I wasn't" card.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Absolutely. The keystone cops can't defend their double standard. It just shows that you've won. You should go get a ribeye and relax.

Literally pages and pages of you posting stats showing Arieta might be slightly better than Sale in certain areas, and over 24 hours later you say you were just trolling?

Time for a nap, IMU.

Trolling or not, this statement is false.

The problem is that you can't make a "troll post" and then defend it like it was real.

If I say "Kyle Orton is better than Jay Cutler" I can't then cite a bunch of things defending it and then decided "I was just trolling".

The problem is that you can't make a "troll post" and then defend it like it was real.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

In the National League, the average 9 spot in the order had 37 R and 33 RBI.

In the American League, the average 9 spot in the order had 55 R and 49 RBI.

Over the course of the season, the AL lineup had 16 more RBI and 18 more R come from the 9 spot. That translates to .1 R/RBI per game. So over the course of 30 games pitched by a starter ...3 runs total.

The differential between Arrieta's 2014 season and either of Sale's seasons being discussed is greater than 3 runs over the course of the season. If we add those 3 runs to Arrieta (let's pretend he was charged with all 3 when he was on the mound, and that none were ever given up by the bullpen in relief during Arrieta's starts [i.e. worst case scenario for Arriera]) Jake Arrieta now has a 2.82 ERA. And since we would now have to compare him to AL pitchers and not NL pitchers, his ERA+ and ERA- remain better than Sale's.