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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:20 pm 
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That’s also true about Schwarber. He barely does enough to keep people hopeful but he is forever a darling due to a couple special homers.

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That’s also true about Schwarber. He barely does enough to keep people hopeful but he is forever a darling due to a couple special homers.


He did tie for the league lead in outfield assists. He had a sophomore slump year and still hit 26 out. He's due to rebound.

Mike, how do you think he's going to do this season?

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That’s also true about Schwarber. He barely does enough to keep people hopeful but he is forever a darling due to a couple special homers.


He did tie for the league lead in outfield assists. He had a sophomore slump year and still hit 26 out. He's due to rebound.

Mike, how do you think he's going to do this season?


Got sidetracked last evening... I think he will strike out a lot and hit less than .240. Probably have 150 or more ks and 25 homers. Some younger guys love that and heap praise. I do not. I say that is just a guy.

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Agreed. Add Babe Ruth to that list also.

Schwarber had a good year last year. .823 OPS

What are your expectations?


Honestly, RPB, it doesn't matter. I just don't like him.

:lol: That's an honest answer. I like your style.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:46 am 
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That’s also true about Schwarber. He barely does enough to keep people hopeful but he is forever a darling due to a couple special homers.

It's not at all true about Schwarber.

No matter what your expectations are, an .823 OPS is very productive and he added some decent defense last year.


He was 22nd in the league in OPS. Ahead of: Cody Bellinger, Starling Marte, Jose Martinez, Lorenzo Cain


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He's fine if he bats 7th or 8th, I'm not a fan of the guy either. Too many guys with striking out too much with piss poor batting averages.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
He was 22nd in the league in OPS. Ahead of: Cody Bellinger, Starling Marte, Jose Martinez, Lorenzo Cain
Schwarber's WAR was 1.5.
Marte 3.7
Bellinger 4.2
Cain 6.9

Martinez tied with a 1.5 WAR, but he played nearly half of his time in the first at 1st base in 2018.

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He's fine if he bats 7th or 8th, I'm not a fan of the guy either. Too many guys with striking out too much with piss poor batting averages.

If the OPB is still good, it's fine overall. I get it though, it's frustrating to watch a guy hit .238.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
He was 22nd in the league in OPS. Ahead of: Cody Bellinger, Starling Marte, Jose Martinez, Lorenzo Cain
Schwarber's WAR was 1.5.
Marte 3.7
Bellinger 4.2
Cain 6.9

Martinez tied with a 1.5 WAR, but he played nearly half of his time in the first at 1st base in 2018.

I didnt say anything about WAR. I pointed out that Schwarber was better offensively than a handful of guys that many consider great.


.823 OPS, 22nd in the league = a good offensive player. There is no argument against that.


Oh and nice edit on the 3 times as much, Professor :P


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Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.


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If he hits sub .240, he should be traded by year's end...unless he hits 40+.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I didnt say anything about WAR. I pointed out that Schwarber was better offensively than a handful of guys that many consider great.
Right, you kinda sorta cherry picked a stat to say "Look how good Schwarber is," when Schwarber's matchups were kinda sorta cherry picked for him to succeed.

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Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.

Did you read the article in the Athletic?

They (TheoJed) are doing everything but putting a uniform on and giving the lineup to the ump.

If Im Maddon, I quit. He's got enough juice. I like Theo and I don't even think they are wrong but I wouldnt put up with it if Im Merlot Joe.


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vitoscotti wrote:
Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.



Think ya mean Theo and Jed, Tom is just a dipshit who signs checks.

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Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.



Think ya mean Theo and Jed, Tom is just a dipshit who signs checks.

Tom controls the pursestrings.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I didnt say anything about WAR. I pointed out that Schwarber was better offensively than a handful of guys that many consider great.
Right, you kinda sorta cherry picked a stat to say "Look how good Schwarber is," when Schwarber's matchups were kinda sorta cherry picked for him to succeed.

OPS is not cherry picked. It's pretty much the best stat for offensive performance (unless you want to get even more advanced and go OPS+ or wOBA)

Schwarber had 500 at bats last year. You're overselling that he was protected.


But again, FACTS cant be argued with. Schwarber's .823 OPS is good. For reference, Jose Abreu was .798 last year.


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Who is the better hitter...Kyle Schwarber or Jose Abreu?

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Frank's point is that Schwarber was not an everyday player and his .823 OPS was helped by being semi-platooned.

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Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.

Did you read the article in the Athletic?

They (TheoJed) are doing everything but putting a uniform on and giving the lineup to the ump.

If Im Maddon, I quit. He's got enough juice. I like Theo and I don't even think they are wrong but I wouldnt put up with it if Im Merlot Joe.



You'd quit and walk away from 6 million?

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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops


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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops



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rogers park bryan wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.

Did you read the article in the Athletic?

They (TheoJed) are doing everything but putting a uniform on and giving the lineup to the ump.

If Im Maddon, I quit. He's got enough juice. I like Theo and I don't even think they are wrong but I wouldnt put up with it if Im Merlot Joe.


TheoJed better be careful what they wish for. Joe has averaged 97 wins a year. GTFO of here with the micro managing bullshit. It's dangerous when you start thinking you are smarter then everyone in the room and have signed Heyward, Darvish and Chatwood. Traded Eloy and Cease for a .500 pitcher.

It's not unlike what Bulls management did after the six championship.


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Frank's point is that Schwarber was not an everyday player and his .823 OPS was helped by being semi-platooned.


Yep if faced the wrong handed pitcher he blows.

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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops



Exactly


Sometimes late at night I cry even thinking about Adam Dunn.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.

Did you read the article in the Athletic?

They (TheoJed) are doing everything but putting a uniform on and giving the lineup to the ump.

If Im Maddon, I quit. He's got enough juice. I like Theo and I don't even think they are wrong but I wouldnt put up with it if Im Merlot Joe.


TheoJed better be careful what they wish for. Joe has averaged 97 wins a year. GTFO of here with the micro managing bullshit. It's dangerous when you start thinking you are smarter then everyone in the room and have signed Heyward, Darvish and Chatwood. Traded Eloy and Cease for a .500 pitcher.

It's not unlike what Bulls management did after the six championship.



Lol, did you watch the WS? Joe did everything he could to blow it. Agree on Jhey and Darvish. ( I liked the Chatwood sign) if you gotta pick Theo or Joe.. Joe gotta go

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Who is the better hitter...Kyle Schwarber or Jose Abreu?

Jose Abreu overall.

Last year as an offensive player (walks mattter), Schwarber was better


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Frank's point is that Schwarber was not an everyday player and his .823 OPS was helped by being semi-platooned.

And I addressed that by pointing out he had over 500 at bats.


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312player wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.

Did you read the article in the Athletic?

They (TheoJed) are doing everything but putting a uniform on and giving the lineup to the ump.

If Im Maddon, I quit. He's got enough juice. I like Theo and I don't even think they are wrong but I wouldnt put up with it if Im Merlot Joe.



You'd quit and walk away from 6 million?

Tough money to walk away from but they really cut off his balls here.


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vitoscotti wrote:
I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops

It's not flawed, its just not aligned with what we all grew up "knowing" about baseball.


And OBP is the stat most associated with winning. That's why Schwarber still has value and why Moncada still has a shot to be good.


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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops



Exactly


Sometimes late at night I cry even thinking about Adam Dunn.

Yea, those 41 homers and 96 RBI's in 2012 were pretty bad.


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