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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:14 pm 
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Im not trying to limit his speech at all.


Well isn't that nice. What are you arguing for then? Not limit his speech but have him be affected by MLB, Cubs or society at large?

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Also, re: bigotry

I kind of think we should all try and get along on this planet as much as possible. Just from a Humanity standpoint, I want there to be less bigotry.

Im not going to just lay back and enjoy it.

You don't have to lay back and enjoy it. You have freedom of association. When you join a collective to police thought, to police it without any laws being broken, you are intolerant.

What if someone is ignorant/uninformed and you shed some light on something that changes their opinion? Is that policing thought?

And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

No, punishing grown ass people for thoughts alone is policing thought.
If tolerance was easy, everybody would be doing it. It's similar to "hate speech is not free speech". There is no need for the right of free speech if everything that's said is sunshine and roses.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:18 pm 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Im not trying to limit his speech at all.


Well isn't that nice. What are you arguing for then? Not limit his speech but have him be affected by MLB, Cubs or society at large?

See, this is thing you fall into frequently where you want people to answer for things other people have said. I havent said a word about doing anything to Joe Ricketts. This all goes back to Leash and I discussing whether bigotry matters.

Not all groups of people that share one trait are in lockstep on everything. Why dont you ask someone who actually said Ricketts should be punished, about punishing Ricketts?


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Why must you ruin everything?
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Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Also, re: bigotry

I kind of think we should all try and get along on this planet as much as possible. Just from a Humanity standpoint, I want there to be less bigotry.

Im not going to just lay back and enjoy it.

You don't have to lay back and enjoy it. You have freedom of association. When you join a collective to police thought, to police it without any laws being broken, you are intolerant.

What if someone is ignorant/uninformed and you shed some light on something that changes their opinion? Is that policing thought?

And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

No, punishing grown ass people for thoughts alone is policing thought.
If tolerance was easy, everybody would be doing it. It's similar to "hate speech is not free speech". There is no need for the right of free speech if everything that's said is sunshine and roses.

Ok, well I am not, nor have I ever, advocated for any punishment.

Im talking about discussing things with people and trying to get them to see another side.


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I don't think ignoring it does any good though. This is ultimately the free market at work. When you are a public figure you open yourself up to criticism of your ideas that I think everyone can agree were not great.


I have no issue with people doing that - voting with their wallets. I can pretty much guarantee you this will have zero effect on Cubs revenue, however.


No ignoring it does not good and voting with wallets, protests etc is great. Absolutely right. As has been pointed out though the people in this case outraged are not large enough to affect any change. It is a handful of righteous people and media types screaming for justice no one else is. I am not even sure the equivalent of the anti defamation league for Muslims has even mentioned the "controversy".

In the end what this week's actions by the Bernsie types calling for action will do is drive bigotry back into the darkness. It is always been my opinion it is better this is out in the light being discussed. It shouldn't be just another way to punish your thought opponents.

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Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Also, re: bigotry

I kind of think we should all try and get along on this planet as much as possible. Just from a Humanity standpoint, I want there to be less bigotry.

Im not going to just lay back and enjoy it.

You don't have to lay back and enjoy it. You have freedom of association. When you join a collective to police thought, to police it without any laws being broken, you are intolerant.

What if someone is ignorant/uninformed and you shed some light on something that changes their opinion? Is that policing thought?

And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

No, punishing grown ass people for thoughts alone is policing thought.
If tolerance was easy, everybody would be doing it. It's similar to "hate speech is not free speech". There is no need for the right of free speech if everything that's said is sunshine and roses.

Those criticizing Ricketts have the same free speech.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:19 pm 
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The likely outcome of all this is Tom Ricketts makes a public statement at spring training saying they are donating money to some Muslim organization or center and do not agree as individuals or organizationally, with the emails uncovered that were attributed to their father. End of story, nothing to see here.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Im not trying to limit his speech at all.


Well isn't that nice. What are you arguing for then? Not limit his speech but have him be affected by MLB, Cubs or society at large?

See, this is thing you fall into frequently where you want people to answer for things other people have said. I havent said a word about doing anything to Joe Ricketts. This all goes back to Leash and I discussing whether bigotry matters.

Not all groups of people that share one trait are in lockstep on everything. Why dont you ask someone who actually said Ricketts should be punished, about punishing Ricketts?


Well you confused me with your devil's advocate posts or whatever.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

Well yeah you sort of do. You cant make me like peas .

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And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

Well yeah you sort of do. You cant make me like peas .

Is that the new slang term?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
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And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

Well yeah you sort of do. You cant make me like peas .

Is that the new slang term?

Using One Posts example :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:36 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Also, re: bigotry

I kind of think we should all try and get along on this planet as much as possible. Just from a Humanity standpoint, I want there to be less bigotry.

Im not going to just lay back and enjoy it.

You don't have to lay back and enjoy it. You have freedom of association. When you join a collective to police thought, to police it without any laws being broken, you are intolerant.

What if someone is ignorant/uninformed and you shed some light on something that changes their opinion? Is that policing thought?

And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

No, punishing grown ass people for thoughts alone is policing thought.
If tolerance was easy, everybody would be doing it. It's similar to "hate speech is not free speech". There is no need for the right of free speech if everything that's said is sunshine and roses.

Those criticizing Ricketts have the same free speech.

Sure, no problem. I'm talking about when the free speech turns to a collective for the purpose of punishment. Mob rule. That psychology is more dangerous than a few racists spouting off. The communists back in the day were 100% in on what they thought was right. So much so, they left behind 25 million corpses. These fuckers were committed. You may say the SJW ideology would never go that far. In fact, that would be wrong. Intolerance went that far all the time in history.

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Good job Nardi. Today Cubs Brass. Tomorrow you!

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Nardi wrote:
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Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Nardi wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Also, re: bigotry

I kind of think we should all try and get along on this planet as much as possible. Just from a Humanity standpoint, I want there to be less bigotry.

Im not going to just lay back and enjoy it.

You don't have to lay back and enjoy it. You have freedom of association. When you join a collective to police thought, to police it without any laws being broken, you are intolerant.

What if someone is ignorant/uninformed and you shed some light on something that changes their opinion? Is that policing thought?

And is there any limit? I mean do we have to be tolerant of other people's intolerance?

No, punishing grown ass people for thoughts alone is policing thought.
If tolerance was easy, everybody would be doing it. It's similar to "hate speech is not free speech". There is no need for the right of free speech if everything that's said is sunshine and roses.

Those criticizing Ricketts have the same free speech.

Sure, no problem. I'm talking about when the free speech turns to a collective for the purpose of punishment. Mob rule. That psychology is more dangerous than a few racists spouting off. The communists back in the day were 100% in on what they thought was right. So much so, they left behind 25 million corpses. These fuckers were committed. You may say the SJW ideology would never go that far. In fact, that would be wrong. Intolerance went that far all the time in history.

Wow. We have lots of groups to worry about don't we?

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Wow. We have lots of groups to worry about don't we?

That's why nationalism isn't the worst thing. At least it's an attempt to bring all the many tribes under one letterhead. But, you know, fuck that, because it's code for white nationalism, amirite?

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