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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:50 am 
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You're right, they cut his balls off.. managers aren't making g that kind of money anymore. His next job will pay half of what he's making now. His only recourse is to make it to the WS this year.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:01 am 
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Frank's point is that Schwarber was not an everyday player and his .823 OPS was helped by being semi-platooned.

And I addressed that by pointing out he had over 500 at bats.


Actually 428 AB, 510 PA

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:10 am 
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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Frank's point is that Schwarber was not an everyday player and his .823 OPS was helped by being semi-platooned.

And I addressed that by pointing out he had over 500 at bats.


Actually 428 AB, 510 PA

Pardon me, that's correct.

So he got around 85% of a full season. Not much hiding there.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:22 am 
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Schwarber played 61 full games, 940 innings.

Cain 118 full games, 1180 innings
Marte 130 full games, 1196 innings
Bellinger played in 143 full games, 785 innings (he played some 1B too)

And for the record, Jose Abreu only appeared in 128 games in 2018 due to injury, yet still logged 59 more innings in the field than Schwarber.

Part time, platoon, not a regular, whatever you want to call it is a factual way to describe Kyle Schwarber as a ballplayer.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:33 am 
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Schwarber played 61 full games, 940 innings.

Cain 118 full games, 1180 innings
Marte 130 full games, 1196 innings
Bellinger played in 143 full games, 785 innings (he played some 1B too)

And for the record, Jose Abreu only appeared in 128 games in 2018 due to injury, yet still logged 59 more innings in the field than Schwarber.

Part time, platoon, not a regular, whatever you want to call it is a factual way to describe Kyle Schwarber as a ballplayer.

Yes, those guys are better fielders and dont get taken out for defensive purposes.

None of this changes the FACT that an .823 ops is a productive player and 510 plate appearances is a large enough sample size.

Let me put into terms that will bring up a fond memory for you. .823 would have been good for 3rd among 2005 White Sox regulars.

I understand you want Schwarber to be bad. But he's just not. He's nowhere near as good as many had hoped he'd be but overall he was a good offensive player last year.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:37 am 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I understand you want Schwarber to be bad. But he's just not. He's nowhere near as good as many had hoped he'd be but overall he was a good offensive player last year.
Its not about what I want at all. You seem to overrate him, but that alone doesn't make him good or bad. Its about Schwarber being a part time/platoon player.

You seem to agree with that;
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Yes, those guys are better fielders and dont get taken out for defensive purposes.
so I don't know why you're still posting about this.


The White Sox have nothing to do with this. I only mentioned Abreu because you brought him into this thread, and I know he missed a ton of time with injuries, but still played more than Schwarber.

Congrats to Kyle for being better than guys like Nicky Delmonico, Adam Engel, and Tim Anderson I guess?

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I see a good wagering opportunity here, a Schwarber vs Moncada wager.

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I see a good wagering opportunity here, a Schwarber vs Moncada wager.


I'm no Schwarber fan, but I'll take Babe every day of the week and twice on Sundays against Moncada.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:45 am 
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I'm not overrating anyone. Im posting numbers.

These are facts

An .823 ops is a good offensive season

Kyle Schwarber had an .823 OPS last year

Take whatever you want from that.


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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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I see a good wagering opportunity here, a Schwarber vs Moncada wager.


I'm no Schwarber fan, but I'll take Babe every day of the week and twice on Sundays against Moncada.



It's pretty close though, right? I don't like either of em.

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312player wrote:
I see a good wagering opportunity here, a Schwarber vs Moncada wager.

Nah, I dont trust Schwarber. I hope he puts up another 800+ OPS but Im not counting on it.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:48 am 
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312player wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
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I see a good wagering opportunity here, a Schwarber vs Moncada wager.


I'm no Schwarber fan, but I'll take Babe every day of the week and twice on Sundays against Moncada.



It's pretty close though, right? I don't like either of em.

Not so far.

Schwarber OPS: .842, .782, . 823

Moncada OPS: .750, .714


Although I expect Moncada to have his best season this year.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I'm not overrating anyone. Im posting numbers.

These are facts

An .823 ops is a good offensive season

Kyle Schwarber had an .823 OPS last year

Take whatever you want from that.
Ok.


Its also a FACT that Kyle Schwarber is a part time/platoon outfielder.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:09 am 
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Theo and Tom have to be in conflict with Joe M. Len Kasper on M & H. In 2019 season: more batting practice, players arrive earlier to games, less liquor on flights, more regimentation throughout, going for sweeps instead of days off the final game of a series. A direct 180 in everything Joe stands for.

Did you read the article in the Athletic?

They (TheoJed) are doing everything but putting a uniform on and giving the lineup to the ump.

If Im Maddon, I quit. He's got enough juice. I like Theo and I don't even think they are wrong but I wouldnt put up with it if Im Merlot Joe.


TheoJed better be careful what they wish for. Joe has averaged 97 wins a year. GTFO of here with the micro managing bullshit. It's dangerous when you start thinking you are smarter then everyone in the room and have signed Heyward, Darvish and Chatwood. Traded Eloy and Cease for a .500 pitcher.

It's not unlike what Bulls management did after the six championship.



Lol, did you watch the WS?
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You know when the last time I was able to watch a Cubs WS before Maddon? .... . . NEVER!

Let me say this one more time. MADDON AVERAGES 97.. NINTY SEVEN!!! Wins a year! and you clowns want to ride him out of town. :x

The foundation of Joe Maddon's remarkable run in Tampa Bay and historical run in Chicago is the work he does every day in the clubhouse, not the dugout. Keeping players loose, confident and ready to buy in is at the core of his approach.Forcing him into a dugout manager is a mistake. Give me the clubhouse guy who wins 90+ games a year and gives my team a chance at a championship every year over a dugout guy who fits the analytical key points Theo and Jed are convinced will generate success.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:13 am 
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You didn't answer my question though, if you have to choose Theo or Joe.. who ya keeping.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I'm not overrating anyone. Im posting numbers.

These are facts

An .823 ops is a good offensive season

Kyle Schwarber had an .823 OPS last year

Take whatever you want from that.
Ok.


Its also a FACT that Kyle Schwarber is a part time/platoon outfielder.

Certainly that is valid. I tend to think of platoon guys more as 350-400 PA guys but everyone has their own definition.


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Going to the game in a few hours. Have a feeling these 2 teams meet again later this fall.


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Going to the game in a few hours. Have a feeling these 2 teams meet again later this fall.

Arizona Fall League?

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Going to the game in a few hours. Have a feeling these 2 teams meet again later this fall.

Arizona Fall League?


World Series.


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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops



Exactly


Sometimes late at night I cry even thinking about Adam Dunn.

Yea, those 41 homers and 96 RBI's in 2012 were pretty bad.

Dunn hitting 204 in 2012 striking out 222x is meaningless is his productivity evaluation? Then, let the Cubs and Sox sign "big donkey" clones and they'll meet in a cross town world series? I think you've found the baseball success missing link?


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vitoscotti wrote:
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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops



Exactly


Sometimes late at night I cry even thinking about Adam Dunn.

Yea, those 41 homers and 96 RBI's in 2012 were pretty bad.

Dunn hitting 204 in 2012 striking out 222x is meaningless is his productivity evaluation? Then, let the Cubs and Sox sign "big donkey" clones and they'll meet in a cross town world series? I think you've found the baseball success missing link?

It's not meaningless but the 41 homeruns more than make up for it. If Juan Pierre hits .204 thats a problem. Even with the .204 Dunn still had a non terrible .330 OBP

He was also an All Star that year!


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I like ops but it can be flawed. 2012 Adam Dunn hit 204, 222 strikeouts,. 800 ops



Exactly


Sometimes late at night I cry even thinking about Adam Dunn.

Yea, those 41 homers and 96 RBI's in 2012 were pretty bad.

Dunn hitting 204 in 2012 striking out 222x is meaningless is his productivity evaluation? Then, let the Cubs and Sox sign "big donkey" clones and they'll meet in a cross town world series? I think you've found the baseball success missing link?

It's not meaningless but the 41 homeruns more than make up for it. If Juan Pierre hits .204 thats a problem. Even with the .204 Dunn still had a non terrible .330 OBP

He was also an All Star that year!

He's all yours....that's a whole lot of bad baseball.

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Maybe Joe will give some starters the day off Thursday to rest them?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I'm not overrating anyone. Im posting numbers.

These are facts

An .823 ops is a good offensive season

Kyle Schwarber had an .823 OPS last year

Take whatever you want from that.




Caught meatpantz on my way home, he rattled off some stats and said Schwarber was historically awful in clutch situations last season.

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I sure hope he plays better!

Don't you?

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Of course I want him to do better, he has the skills to be a 275 hitter with 30 homers.

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