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By John Arguello, October 21, 2011 at 12:14 am The weather in Chicago has been cold and miserable the past few days, perhaps because all the hot air has traveled east to Boston. San Diego, meanwhile, is sunny and pleasant this time of year, so today I think we'll turn our attention there.

Negotiations with San Diego have gone smoothly. Although some are denying that any talk has taken place, most expect a deal to get done with the Padres rather quickly. The two executives the Cubs have zeroed in are Jed Hoyer, who will be the new GM, and Jason McLeod, who is expected to assist him, where his experience on the amateur side will be a huge asset.

McLeod is probably the least known of the former Boston trio, but he had a huge impact on the Red Sox success since he was hired in 2003. He stayed there for 7 years, the last 6 of which were highlighted by his work in amateur scouting. Here's a look year by year look at some of McLeod's drafts.

2004: Boston didn't have a first round pick but they nabbed undersized Dustin Pedroia in the second round. There were no other significant selections that year, but if you can get a rookie of the year and MVP, that pretty much makes the whole draft.

2005: Boston's first pick in '05 was Clay Buchholz, one of the Red Sox top starting pitchers when he's healthy. The next two picks were pitchers Craig Hansen and Michael Bowden, both of whom spent time in the majors as relievers. Bowden pitched 20 innings this year and finished with a 4.05 ERA. The 4th round pick was Jed Lowrie, who got over 300 ABs as an infielder this year. The 5th pick was Jacoby Ellsbury, who is an MVP candidate after a breakout season in 2012. This draft was rated 2nd overall by Baseball America at the time.

2006: In this draft McLeod hit on a few more players and BA ranked this draft the best one of that year. Daniel Bard, the excellent set up man and future closer was selected in the first round. The second pick was Justin Masterson, who was later dealt to Cleveland as the centerpiece of the Victor Martinez trade. Masterson was 12-10 with a 3.21 ERA for Cleveland this past season. In the 9th round, the Sox selected rightfielder Ryan Kalish, who is expected to be their starting RF'er in 2012 as well as outfielder Josh Redick, who may challenge him for the job. Like a lesser version of our own Brett Jackson, Kalish is a good athlete who possesses solid tools across the board. Other noteworthy picks were prospect Lars Anderson, plus Matthew LaPorta and Brandon Belt, two top hitters who did not sign but are now starters for the Indians and Giants, respectively.

2007: The Red Sox first pick was Nick Hagadone, a top pitching prospect who was also used in the Victor Martinez deal. They selected Will Middlebrooks(3B), their current top prospect in the 5th round and in the next round they nabbed Anthony Rizzo (1B), #3 prospect last year, who was part of the package used to acquire Anthony Gonzalez. They also picked Drake Britton, a top 10 prospect last year, and Yasmani Grandal, whom they did not sign, but is now a top catching prospect with the Reds.

2008: This draft featured former top pitching prospect Casey Kelly, who was used to acquire Anthony Gonzalez, as well as slugging catcher Ryan Lavarnway, who came up late this season and did well offensively despite the Red Sox collapse. It also included former top prospect Ryan Westmoreland (OF), whose promising career was derailed by illness, though he is currently trying to make his way back.

2009: The jury is still out on his draft but it did produce top 10 prospect Reymond Fuentes (OF), considered the best athlete in their system.

McLeod has shown the capability to produce impact major league players, as well as role players and top prospects who were used to acquire sluggers like Victor Martinez and Anthony Gonzalez.

His recent drafts in San Diego have also been rated highly with this past draft ranking with our own great draft here in Chicago as one of the top 7 or 8 best this season.

That, of course, raises important questions. If McLeod does come to Chicago as expected, how does he coexist with Wilken? Will one get reassigned? Will they work together in some way? My guess, at least for next year, is that they'll work together for 2012 and give Espstein and Hoyer a chance to evaluate how the pieces fit best.

It's only a matter of time before the Chicago-Boston-Epstein rumors heat up again, so I thought we could use a breather on the notes from yesterday. I'll post a new thread tomorrow covering the events as they unfold. I'll keep updating it throughout the day until, hopefully, the deal gets done. If it doesn't, the next possible date is Tuesday.


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Congratulations to you guys.

I hope THEO brings all the little boys and girls of Cubbieland lots of presents.

Mainly a World Series. Then maybe you guys finally shut up about curses. :P

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By John Arguello, October 21, 2011 at 12:14 am The weather in Chicago has been cold and miserable the past few days, perhaps because all the hot air has traveled east to Boston. San Diego, meanwhile, is sunny and pleasant this time of year, so today I think we'll turn our attention there.

Negotiations with San Diego have gone smoothly. Although some are denying that any talk has taken place, most expect a deal to get done with the Padres rather quickly. The two executives the Cubs have zeroed in are Jed Hoyer, who will be the new GM, and Jason McLeod, who is expected to assist him, where his experience on the amateur side will be a huge asset.

McLeod is probably the least known of the former Boston trio, but he had a huge impact on the Red Sox success since he was hired in 2003. He stayed there for 7 years, the last 6 of which were highlighted by his work in amateur scouting. Here's a look year by year look at some of McLeod's drafts.

2004: Boston didn't have a first round pick but they nabbed undersized Dustin Pedroia in the second round. There were no other significant selections that year, but if you can get a rookie of the year and MVP, that pretty much makes the whole draft.

2005: Boston's first pick in '05 was Clay Buchholz, one of the Red Sox top starting pitchers when he's healthy. The next two picks were pitchers Craig Hansen and Michael Bowden, both of whom spent time in the majors as relievers. Bowden pitched 20 innings this year and finished with a 4.05 ERA. The 4th round pick was Jed Lowrie, who got over 300 ABs as an infielder this year. The 5th pick was Jacoby Ellsbury, who is an MVP candidate after a breakout season in 2012. This draft was rated 2nd overall by Baseball America at the time.

2006: In this draft McLeod hit on a few more players and BA ranked this draft the best one of that year. Daniel Bard, the excellent set up man and future closer was selected in the first round. The second pick was Justin Masterson, who was later dealt to Cleveland as the centerpiece of the Victor Martinez trade. Masterson was 12-10 with a 3.21 ERA for Cleveland this past season. In the 9th round, the Sox selected rightfielder Ryan Kalish, who is expected to be their starting RF'er in 2012 as well as outfielder Josh Redick, who may challenge him for the job. Like a lesser version of our own Brett Jackson, Kalish is a good athlete who possesses solid tools across the board. Other noteworthy picks were prospect Lars Anderson, plus Matthew LaPorta and Brandon Belt, two top hitters who did not sign but are now starters for the Indians and Giants, respectively.

2007: The Red Sox first pick was Nick Hagadone, a top pitching prospect who was also used in the Victor Martinez deal. They selected Will Middlebrooks(3B), their current top prospect in the 5th round and in the next round they nabbed Anthony Rizzo (1B), #3 prospect last year, who was part of the package used to acquire Anthony Gonzalez. They also picked Drake Britton, a top 10 prospect last year, and Yasmani Grandal, whom they did not sign, but is now a top catching prospect with the Reds.

2008: This draft featured former top pitching prospect Casey Kelly, who was used to acquire Anthony Gonzalez, as well as slugging catcher Ryan Lavarnway, who came up late this season and did well offensively despite the Red Sox collapse. It also included former top prospect Ryan Westmoreland (OF), whose promising career was derailed by illness, though he is currently trying to make his way back.

2009: The jury is still out on his draft but it did produce top 10 prospect Reymond Fuentes (OF), considered the best athlete in their system.

McLeod has shown the capability to produce impact major league players, as well as role players and top prospects who were used to acquire sluggers like Victor Martinez and Anthony Gonzalez.

His recent drafts in San Diego have also been rated highly with this past draft ranking with our own great draft here in Chicago as one of the top 7 or 8 best this season.

That, of course, raises important questions. If McLeod does come to Chicago as expected, how does he coexist with Wilken? Will one get reassigned? Will they work together in some way? My guess, at least for next year, is that they'll work together for 2012 and give Espstein and Hoyer a chance to evaluate how the pieces fit best.

It's only a matter of time before the Chicago-Boston-Epstein rumors heat up again, so I thought we could use a breather on the notes from yesterday. I'll post a new thread tomorrow covering the events as they unfold. I'll keep updating it throughout the day until, hopefully, the deal gets done. If it doesn't, the next possible date is Tuesday.


Who the fuck is Anthony Gonzales?

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Who the fuck is Anthony Gonzales?

The first baseman for the Red Sox. When he got there Karl Youkalis moved to third.




I have to say, im really tired of all the Theo arguments on both sides. He's not been perfect, but he was very good and should be a good hire, just leave it at that.


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Thank you for the avatar switch RPB.

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Really?

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Really?

Great day in Chicago?

Really??

Its not a bad day. Kinda cool, sun looks like its gonna be out today.


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Really?

Great day in Chicago?

Really??



Reeeeeaaaaallllllyyyyyyyy!

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Theo bids farewell to Red Sox Nation:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edito ... on/?page=1

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TELL ME THIS IS A BIT!!!!!!!



Loved that Theo article. I'm letting myself get fully drunk on the Theo kool aid today.

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I figured it was better than "What?!"

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That article/explanation was unneccessary IMO'

It should have read...


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I can't wait until Theo Epstein hits his first homerun and records his first no-hitter.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Who the fuck is Anthony Gonzales?

The first baseman for the Red Sox. When he got there Karl Youkalis moved to third.




I have to say, im really tired of all the Theo arguments on both sides. He's not been perfect, but he was very good and should be a good hire, just leave it at that.


I can agree with that assessment. I like my team to make good hires and this is a good hire. However, organizations do not win championships and this move simply makes for a better organization.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Who the fuck is Anthony Gonzales?

The first baseman for the Red Sox. When he got there Karl Youkalis moved to third.




I have to say, im really tired of all the Theo arguments on both sides. He's not been perfect, but he was very good and should be a good hire, just leave it at that.




think it is kevin youkalis

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Who the fuck is Anthony Gonzales?

The first baseman for the Red Sox. When he got there Karl Youkalis moved to third.




I have to say, im really tired of all the Theo arguments on both sides. He's not been perfect, but he was very good and should be a good hire, just leave it at that.




think it is kevin youkalis

:lol: I'm pretty sure you're wrong dude.

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He is wrong. Got the wrong Gonzalez....Boston has big bopper Adrian Gonzalez.

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Rick Telander weighs in on Epstein.

Cubs have adopted the 1 percent solution

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October 26, 2011 10:28PM
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Updated: October 26, 2011 11:50PM



Is Wall Street occupying the Cubs?
Has the most elite of the 1 percent taken over Cubdom and thereby the health of the longest-suffering crowd in sports?
Are the smartest boys in the room telling us how infallible things such as the laws of large numbers and exotic computer models can turn the Cubs into the sporting equivalent of a Greenwich hedge fund?
These may sound like silly questions. But are they?
At a time when the middle class is vanishing, when Baby Boomers are wondering how they’re going to be able to retire, when job-hunting young people who are saddled with mammoth education and government debt are protesting the clever profiteers at the top of the capitalist food chain, is it silly to ask if Tom Ricketts and Theo Epstein are appropriate heroes for the times?
Aren’t these the type of fellows who helped muddy up what used to be known as the American Dream?
Epstein, who was announced as the new Cubs president of baseball operations Tuesday, is only 37 but has a success pedigree much longer than his hair.
Yale undergrad, law degree in his spare time, smart-as-a-whip, boy-wonder Theo won two World Series in his nine years as general manager for the Red Sox. But where did he play his pro ball? Oh, in the hallways of various front offices.
Ricketts, the second-year Cubs chairman, has a pair of diplomas from the University of Chicago, and his fortune was made in the world of investment banking and bond structuring.
There was a period in baseball — notably after futures trader John Henry took over the Red Sox in 2002 — when old-school, tobacco-chewing, scout-from-the-stands analysis was replaced by faddish, techno number-crunching.
For sure, that new stuff, called sabermetrics by some, was all the rage. And it makes sense, to a point. (See “Moneyball’’ for details.)
Geeks on the wane
But now it’s as old-fashioned as mortgage-backed derivatives and collateralized debt obligations.
All that latter mumbo-jumbo made a fortune for a bunch of sly bankers and Wall Street types while bringing a good percentage of Americans to its knees.
Do we trust the numbers guys yet?
If we do, then why — if the Texas Rangers win this World Series, which they lead 3-2 — will 10 different baseball teams have won World Series titles in the last 11 years? Every team can’t be run by a computer geek, can it?
It’s more than a tad ironic that, as Sports Illustrated recently noted, “The advantage of the early adopters [of statistical analysis] is gone.’’
The roaring 2000s are history, both for our economy, and, it appears, baseball brainiac pioneers.
In September, Epstein told SI of his Red Sox techniques, “Just about everything we’re doing here is being done elsewhere, and a lot of it better. We have a pretty big cushion with our resources. We can take sixth-rounders and pay them third-round money without thinking twice about it.’’
Trump ’em with deep pockets, then.
And who fills the deep pockets?
If the recent banking and Wall Street revelations have taught us anything, it should be that it ever and always comes from us, the folks who are not smarter than the rest of the room. Because we are the room.
Loss of innocence
The 103-year desert of failure stares at Cubs fans like a howling wasteland.
For leaders, the Cubs have tried and given up on baseball royalty (Andy MacPhail), baseball lifers (Lou Piniella, Jim Hendry) and baseball dilettantes (Tribune Co.).
And now we have, in a sense, Ben Bernanke and Steve Jobs costume-wearers at the helm.
This may be what is needed for the job. But with the acceptance of the Ricketts-Epstein leadership comes a price, and it is the loss of whatever slim innocence still remained for the Cubs.
People who go to Wrigley Field have often been ridiculed as partiers who are out to enjoy the sun, the beer, the small-park ambience — as if going to a summer game must be a somber event filled with grimacing intensity.
It can only get nastier at Wrigley now that the brilliant hotshots are in charge. Failure is no longer funny, not even acceptable.
It’s moneyball, for sure.
Just be careful, Cubs pilgrims, of what you wished for.


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Cub leadership finally looks like Cub fans. Cargo shorts for everyone!

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This is going to be as much fun as when Dusty and Lou were brought in.


Yes it will, good dolphin. Yes it will!

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RFDC wrote:
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This is going to be as much fun as when Dusty and Lou were brought in.


It is hard to match the excitement of Ventura and Parent.


which do you think will have a better record next year


Probably the Sox, but it won't be by much. Sox at probably 81-83 wins. Cubs at 78-80. Woo hoooo Sox win.

Next years motto can continue this years theme: We do not suck as much as the Cubs.


Remember the hope of a new regime?

What is the comparative record after three years?

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I am 100% certain Theo Epstien is the savior of the Cubs franchise and will bring multiple World Series titles to the North Side.

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Is Theo Epstein's strategy to own the shortstop market for the next two years the greatest front office move in the history of baseball or the greatest front office move in the history of baseball?

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