He may. But I'll bet he's right around .500 for his Cub career. I've been right about him all along. Don't double down on your hopes and dreams. Quintana is as ordinary as they come and he already bowed you right out of one playoff series in spectacular fasion. Enjoy.

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You think it's a coincidence he had his career best winning% in his Cub uni? I know you are anti run support but it's time to pull your head out of the sand.

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I think 12 decisions is a ridiculously small sample. We can have this discussion after the season. I'm confident it won't be the way you think it will.

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What is a large enough sample size?

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You think he's going to be .500 this season?

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He may be a game or two better. But he may be a game or two worse too.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I'll be surprised if he's under .500. I have him penciled in for 15 wins if he's healthy.

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I think that is a good estimate. I say 15-16 wins. Some of those may be due to the Cubs better run support and defense, but nonetheless...

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You think the Cubs gave up too much for Q? Isn't it more likely that Elroy is the next Solar and Cease never wins 10 games in the majors?

White Sox fans fall in love with prospects.

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Oops! Looks like you barked up the wrong tree with that one.


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With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I believe I asked a question. How is that "barking up the wrong tree?" I just want you to put your fanbase in its place with this nonsense that the Cubs gave up too much for Q. If Cub fans where bragging about a couple prospects we traded from the Sox for K.Hendricks you would be all over them for overvaluing players that have never played a season in the majors.

I don't know whether the Cubs gave up "too much" for Quintana or not. I just know that as a Sox fan I'm not sorry he's gone. Right now the Cubs haven't given up anything but a couple minor leaguers.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

How many starts is a large enough sample size? 12 was way too small. I agree... not a full season.
Would 25 to 30 starts be enough?

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No. Lots of guys have good years. We have what, 180, 190 starts for Quintana that show us who he is. I don't want to speculate on whether his career year will be 16 wins or 18 or 20 or whether he'll have that year with the Cubs or have such a year at all. But one thing I'm almost 100% certain of is that when his Cub tenure is over, you'll feel the same way about him as Terry's Peeps and I do.

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Fixed.

Show me a guy in the last 50 years who was appreciably over .500 on a team that went 413-482 (.461) over that same period.

Being 50-54 (.481) for 5.5 seasons on a .461 team seems pretty decent, if you're into Pitcher W-L.

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Well, now he gets to show us who the Cubs are. He already closed out one playoff series for you. Enjoy!

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Yes yesssss.. let the hate flow though yooooooou!

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A .667 team, apparently. That's....pretty fucking good!

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I'm going to enjoy your hate when it happens. I'll bookmark this.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

There's Chris Sale right off the bat. I didn't even have to look him up.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

You're after the wrong guy. I didnt want quintana... but I do find how much you hate a guy who was the second best on a crummy team for years amusing.

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I'm not "after" anyone. Just stating my opinion on a pitcher. And part of the reason they were a crummy team was that he was their second best pitcher.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Awesome. Now that we've identified Jose Quintana as not being one of the Top 5 pitchers in baseball, where are we at?

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You degrade small sample sizes one minute and then use small sample size the next to try and make a point.

You can't have it both ways. Don't we need to wait until his Cub career is over to evaluate his value in the playoffs? That leads us to another question of playoff value vs. regular season value. Which is more important to a team? If a pitcher wins the Cy-Young but cost them a playoff series is he more valuable then the pitcher who goes a little over .500 for his team but clinches key games in the playoffs?

C.Sale closed out a playoff series for the Red Sox last year and no one is saying the Red Sox overpaid for him.

With this super dynamic Cubs offense for a full season and no longer saddled with those bums on the South side anything less than the 22-5 neighborhood will be disappointing .

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Surprisingly, all good points.

JORR's response will probably never come, or it will be sarcastic / obstinate.

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Playoff performances by their very nature are a "small sample". I don't think Kershaw and Maddux "suck in the playoffs". Quintana's playoff performance is just a part of his overall body of work just like everyone else's. He is who he is. It won't take long until you admit that. To be continued.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Wrong again. As you are almost all the time.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Hey, Hey! I was just beginning to get a bro vibe from you and then you had to go and post this.