I have no doubt you believe that.

One would have to be insane not to. One guy is a journeyman. The other is a borderline Hall of Famer.

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They're both journeyman. Buehrle's definitely a better baseball player and competitor. But strictly pitch by pitch nuts and bolts from the rubber, not much difference. The edge is to Buehrle amongst those two journeyman pitchers.

That's just completely wrong. I wouldn't put Buehrle in the Hall but he's close. Quintana is just a slightly better than average pitcher.

There really is no comparison between the two guys. Buehrle is like Jim Kaat. Quintana is like Bud Black.

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Quintana sucks, Buerhle was awesome
Not really sure what the argument is here

Buehrle should be in the hall.

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They are both above average pitchers who I respect. A helluva lot more than than throwers who come and go. I'm not going to stay silent when a crafty pitcher with 14 years in the league gets shit on over a W/L record. Buehrle is a gamer and GGer and he pitched good. Quintana simply pitched good. There is not much difference in how they pitched. It's not a controversial statement. I will admit to one small thing. 2006. He took the year off on the favored team and so ended the HOF consideration. He would never again have a year like 2005. I mean, he was fine after the no show year, Quintana-like, I'd say.

Look at the fuzzy wuzzy soxie. Maybe put some plexiglass around Mark's empty beer cans?

Make it a big case and get the WS - all of it, all of 200(5 - the perfect game, the no-no…all of the gold gloves, the durability, the making-baseball-fun-to-watch-without-a-gay-pitch-clock…

Put him in.

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He's responsible for that record. He's played on plenty of good teams. It's not a "lack of run support." He often can't make his pitch at critical junctures. Buehrle usually did.

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yes. the stat nerds have completey ruined the baseball HOF. Guy's who were Hall of Good players for decades now get in because of some bullshit analytics math - Rolen, Simmons, Mauer, Dave Parker, etc... None of those guys when I saw playing WITH MY EYES I said to myself I'm watching a future baseball hall of famer. EVER!

Since the standard has been lowered, but in guys like Buehrle, Garvey, Bucker, Dale Murphy, etc... All these Hall of Good guys just put them in now.

Lol jorr... I remember a few you thought were elite too. Thats what Sox fans do. We've seen this show before. You never learn.

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To be fair, JORR did not call Schwarber a generational bust. He called him a monumental bust and a generational turd. Those are different things. Pete Rose was a great player and a generational turd.

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One of the most monumental busts in the history of sports. Let's give him credit where credit is due

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Also to be fair, JORR doesn't think much of Pete Rose as a player. Mark Buehrle is probably better.

They can’t all be Morganna the Kissing Bandit.

Pete Rose was an excellent singles hitter. I deduct points for false hustle. I know it's his shitty culture that caused him to showboat by sprinting out walks.

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It does have some value as a hitting stat. Mike Tauchman has a .370 BABIP right now. Everyone knows he's not a .370 hitter. Therefore, everyone knows is current BA/OPS is based on luck/small sample size.

Could you look up the career leader in outs?

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That's not how BABIP works though. Tauchman isn't a .314 hitter because he isn't a .314 hitter. He has hit .314 over 35 AB at least once, probably more than once. He doesn't hit .314 over a large sample because he isn't that good.

BABIP is a pitchers' stat. BABIP normalizes around .300 for ALL pitchers, not for all batters.

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You obviously didn’t read the link I posted above.

I did read it. But Piper Slowinski clearly doesn't understand the entire point of looking at BABIP. Every pitcher- with few exceptions- given a large enough sample will yield a BABIP of right around .300. The same isn't true for all batters.

If a pitcher is allowing BABIP of .350, we know he is catching some bad breaks that will even out over time. If he is allowing a BABIP of .200, we know he has gotten very lucky.

If a batter has a BABIP of .350, he may just be a great hitter.

https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/pos ... d-the-game

Since McCracken's shocking, almost unbelievable discovery, more research has shown that balls in play aren't completely random. Knuckleballers in particular seem able to defy the .300 rule.

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Shocking the leader in PAs would have the most outs. 2nd in outs is Aaron. Does he suck too?

Rose was obviously a double machine. Led the league 5 times and puts him 4th all time in that category.

I never said Rose "sucked." It's just silly to compare him to Mantle, Mays, or Aaron.

I have to wonder why you can recognize the correlation between most PA and most outs but not between most PA and most hits. He broke the record for outs well before he broke the record for hits, as I'm sure you are aware.

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I haven't done that. I just think Rose deserves more respect than a Cal Ripken, which is what you've been implying.

Because I knew you thought you had something there(just constantly walking up to the plate to get in the record book) but not much because Hank Aaron was #2 in outs and I imagine there's plenty of HOFers in the top 20.

Again, The "singles hitter" was a doubles machine. Address that rather than the fake hustle, he's an asshole, or the supposedly empty record that broke the one in a time guys wore a tiny mitt and hit .400 on the regular.

Back to Sciambi:

I caught some of the game on TV today and they were doing some sort of prop comedy in the booth with curly wigs. It should be noted that the game was in a scoreless tie in the 6th. Save it for blowouts. Don't cut to the booth over and over for Boog Sciambi's Comedy Capers late in a close game. Try concentrating on the game on the field.

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Why?

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He wasn't a power hitter. That matters. I'm not sure why anyone would think Rose was a better hitter than say, Billy Williams, just off the top of my head.

I don't think Rose can be separated from his image which is a big part of what makes people say he's so great and which makes him controversial as well. If you're going to tell me your view on Rose is completely based on performance and has zero to do with the "Charlie Hustle- he played the game the 'right way'" persona, I'm gonna say I doubt it.

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