Again I have to reiterate that if the three biggest identifiers are kept, the changes wont matter.

It's not the same in any way. The Yankees are the last of the old time New York teams. If the Giants were still there we would have a better comparison. The Sox and Cubs were always equal until the mid/late 80s when Harry began selling beer at "beautiful Wrigley Field". You can see that big fanbase beginning to dwindle. Killing Wrigley won't help.

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Maybe someday we'll find out.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Cubs are a national team. That wont change.

I don't see how this is possible. The charm of Wrigley is in it's old time feel. The things they are adding and doing are the opposite of old time feel.

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It is my opinion that the scoreboard, red sign and the Ivy are pretty much all people care about. Add in the fact that they have the neighborhood and you're safe.




I dont know maybe im wrong. Ive never been a huge Wrigley guy

Two big reasons Cubs are much more popular than the Sox are almost gone.

1. WGN
2. Day Baseball

Im pretty sure the biggest reason I became a Cubs fan was because when I started to show interest in baseball at a young age they were the ones on the TV when I got home from school. Well it looks like games will be off WGN soon and day baseball is slowly being phased out. Wrigley is no longer an auto sell out in the summer when they suck.

It will take a generation or two at this point to turn the tide the other way along with great success by the Sox, but it could in theory be done.

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Anything is possible, but it'll take a Cubs in the 80s type renaissance by the White Sox. I dont think they have it in them. Sox fans are pretty lazy.

What does that even mean?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Well, you know I'm not a Cub fan, but I go to plenty of Cub games. A day game at Wrigley is great. I'd go to see the Cubs in Schaumburg as often as I go to see the Brewers in Milwaukee. Maybe once every ten years.

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That they've tapped into the large vein of losers in this country

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And I, a season ticket holder go to one game a year. Opening Day. Were they in Shaumburg, I would go every weekend they were in town plus a ton of weeknights.

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That they have large groups of fans all over the country.

Agreed. But for our purposes here, were discussing Wrigley in it's current location.

Is a jumbotron gonna ruin everything? I dont think so.

If you don't care about how Wrigley is then it wouldn't change much. However, it seems like a lot of people do.

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I just don't know. There are things that make Wrigley special. I don't think you'll know it isn't special anymore until it isn't.

It's like what makes you, you. If I cut off your hand, you're still RPB. Your legs, yeah, still you. But if it's just your left nut in a swivel chair, I'd have a hard time calling it Bryan.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

"As long as they have the red sign" is absurd. People want the ambiance of a simpler time before jumbotrons and sensory overload and Monetized Everything. You see the sign when you walk in and maybe when you leave. You're there to watch a game. You can't carelessly chip away at that.

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Why are you focusing on 1/3rd?


The scoreboard, the ivy and the sign are the things people love. There are others, but those are the main ones. The main identifiers of Wrigley anyway.


The underarmour signs didnt bother me. And Id like them to have a decent facility. Doesnt have to be sweeping changes and doesnt have to change the parks charm. (Fenway)

The neighborhood is as important component to park ambience as any of the features mentioned.

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Once the team starts winning again, it wont matter what they do to the park. People care about winning. This is being discussed so much because the team is horseshit and all of their 'good' players are in Tennessee or Daytona. What else are we going to talk about?

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Which is another thing they are slowly dismantling.

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Correct and were talking on the terms that they stay

A little harsh there. Just because the Cubs will only win the Wild Card this year doesn't mean they're horseshit.

How so?

That's great. Are you suggesting the Cubs should base their decisions on what people in the Schaumburg or other Northwest suburbs find convenient?

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Right, Hank, but I think putting yourself in a corner where you need to win to pay the bills is probably not the best business model.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Wrigley isnt terribly easy to get to coming from IN. If you put it in Schaumburg, I would attend even less games.

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I dont think fielding a competitive team is too much to ask. Even if the Cubs were hovering around .500, the place would be back to normal.

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They seem to be slowly destroying the rooftops.
They are building a hotel and retail space and a health club.

This will change the local cool neighborhood feel.

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Yeah, that's probably right for now. But I think a lot of people seriously underestimate Wrigley Field and its contribution to the popularity of the Cubs.

When the Sox win, they sell tickets too. Ricketts' whole pitch to Big Daddy was that the Cubs make money no matter what. If that isn't the case, Joe ain't gonna be happy. You can count on beautiful girls and 65 days of sunshine. You can't count on winning.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don