The time of Maddon laying his wisdom down at postgame press conferences is over. This season was a total sham how it ended.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Maddon got a WS and at his age is just looking for a Fox deal. Let him get it somewhere else.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

There is another point to make in somewhat of a defense of Maddon. Theo and Hoyer have failed him in the sense of he has too many toys resulting in too many silly decisions. With the overabundance of talented players and having to deal out the time on the field to keep everything happy is a tough job. It may be somewhat easier had he been able to rely on the same lineup more often.

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Elections have consequences.

So Theo and Hoyer are at fault because got him too many good players? Thats an interesting take.

It is not really a fault. It is just something that makes his day to day harder.

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Elections have consequences.

Chili Davis can't swing for the guys, that's a physical act when they are at the plate, but what he can do is work with the guys on what they are trying to accomplish.

Two at bats stand out.

Schwarber is 2-0 against Wade Davis with one out in the ninth and a runner on first. You hear it all the time from color guys, in a situation like that it has to be drilled in the hitter's mind that he's got to pick one pitch, in one area about the size of a postage stamp, and if the ball isn't right there, you just take it. The third pitch almost hit Schwarber in the face and he swings at it. Now instead of 3-0 it's 2-1 and two more pitches and see you later. That just can't happen in that situation, it's a poor approach at the plate.

Gore's at bat in the 13th inning. His instructions should have been the following:

1. Anything inside lean into it
2. Don't swing until you get two strikes
3. If there are 3 balls, leave the bat on your shoulder.

Gore, a guy who probably can't hit a BP fastball out of the infield, flailed away at ball 4 on a slider in the dirt. It's a poor approach.

Also, in a similar situation to Schwarber, after the Dahl error, Rizzo swings at the first pitch and rolls into a DP. That's another one of those postage stamp approach situations, look for one thing there, and if you don't get it, don't swing.

This is spot on!

I'd like to add, Bryant looked clueless at the plate, and Heyward was Heyward, both had awful AB's......everyone was going for the long ball, that's fine
when you're hitting them, but when you're not, Monday and Tuesday happen. The only Cubs run came on a bad 0-2 pitch to Baez, he could have
thrown that slider about 2 more feet low and away, and I bet Baez swings and misses it.

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Blackhawk goal, scored by number 20, Al Secord.

They were not all trying to hit homeruns. Chili talked them out of that.

I've been on this Fire the coaching staff bandwagon for awhile now. Firing Bosio and Mallee and replacing them with inferior coaches was my last straw, and that was a year ago. Now there have been 10 more last straws.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I remember reading something a while back that quoted Prince Fielder, a guy who knows a thing or two about blasting the ball out of the old ball-yard, as saying that "Homeruns are thrown, not hit."

I think a lot of hitters on the Cubs don't view it that way.

I thought it was all Launch Angle?

How times have changed, who'd have thunk Daniel Palka would have more upside than Schwarbs?

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Blackhawk goal, scored by number 20, Al Secord.

The firing of the hitting coach and pitching coach to save the manager has been done already.
Theo with all of his FA mistakes, still gets more time. He's not going anywhere.

I said it after 2016...."That's great the Cubs won the world series....even with that I'm really glad Maddon does not manage the White Sox".

Maddon has provided plenty of caaaaaawwwwwwwse to be fired. Question is...will Theo play this card now or hold it for next year as cover for a disappointing season? Next year's team will still be good, but doubtful they'd be WS good.

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So, people in this thread want to fire both Epstein and Maddon? The Sox will gladly take both off your hands, as would about 25-28 other teams in Major League Baseball. Also, who do you see out there that is an improvement over either of these guys?

I don't want to fire Epstein. I haven't heard a call for the front office to be remade.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Front office is OK. But I would like them to identify the root cause of their failures in drafting and developing pitching. They've been OK for the most part in identifying undervalued MLB pitching but the amateur side is a trainwreck.

I have no issues with Epstein. Or hickey for that matter. Maddon and Davis have to go. You cant go through the kind of offensive woes that they just did and NOT look hard at the hitting approach and the hitting coach. As for Maddon, he is fine for a young team getting to the window of opportunity, but he is way too panicky with his moves and way too quick to the pen for my taste. Don't know enough about who is available right now to offer suggestions for replacements, but Maddon is a lousy in-game manager.

You have no issues with a GM/Pres that sunk all that $$$ into Darivish/Shitwood/Morrow? Morrow was a fuckign walking injury before they even signed him.

Nope, its not my money, and there are going to be bad signings every year. Next year he will throw even more money at other players and some will work and some wont.

Chilly has to go. Maddon shoulda been fired after 2016. Epstein has to take a long look in the mirror before he walks down that aisle... Seriously, if you count games 163+164 the Cubs ended up tying the Orioles for most 0/1 run games in baseball and that damns everybody to a fate of being questioned! Why not question Hickie for being a part of the misdiagnoses of Darvisch and Marrow that ended up likely playing a part in the Cubs not being 100% gung-ho to replace them at the trade deadline?

Also my misspellings are intentional. They're part of the point I'm making! #TheosErrorsWouldntBeToleratedAtStarbucks #ImJustSayin #AthansMotors

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How is Hickey responsible for diagnosis of any kind on a pitchers health? if the player and the trainers say such-and-such is good to go you go with them. All things considered, this staff worked MIRACLES this year considering the injuries to Morrow and Darvish and the bad signing of Chatwood and how over-used the pen was thanks to quick-trigger Joe. This team lost for many reasons, but the quality of the pitching staff wasn't one of them. As bad as this team looked offensively for stretches this year, I still cant believe they cobbled together 95 wins. It actually gives me hope for next year.

ah the true hypocrites come out....for years I was pleading for Greg Walker to be shit canned...but so many of you calling for Davis's head....said what really can a hitting do for these players? Didn't Theo said all through the organization things will be done the "Cub Way"?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

You make a good point. What happened to the Cub Way?

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Elections have consequences.

37-13 in the 2nd half when scoring 2 or more runs. This team needs a big hitter. Machado or Harper. They have the money.

Theo just said “ Our offense is broke, I don’t ever want to go through that again . Sign both Machado and Harper then and it more than likely won’t happen.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

He also alluded to the ground ball rate (49.5) being way too damn high. Cubs led MLB. Is that Chili preaching contact?

Harper sucked this year.

No he certainly did not.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

His OPS was higher than any Cub and that was in a down year.

I mean I don't know that he's the answer but 34 homers and 100 RBI is pretty solid

Lots of posters here form opinions based on half seasons.

Forgot Pat Gillick with the '92/'93 Blue Jays and '08 Phillies

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