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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Used to love watching him come in from the pen when I was kid.

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Used to love watching him come in from the pen when I was kid.


I’m pretty sure I aged a year by the time he got to the mound with how slow he walked.


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Used to love watching him come in from the pen when I was kid.

Always looked like he was dying.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Dude threw as had as anyone at the time — about 94.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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A big clap on the back to Lee Smith and all Cubs fans. Also a nod of the cap to the affirmative action policy that got Smith in.

We need that HoF to be more diverse--by any means possible. It's good to get in on your merits, like a certain # 3 that I know, but whatevs--he's in and the HoF more closely mirrors our society. Win-WIN.


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A big clap on the back to Lee Smith and all Cubs fans. Also a nod of the cap to the affirmative action policy that got Smith in.

We need that HoF to be more diverse--by any means possible. It's good to get in on your merits, like a certain # 3 that I know, but whatevs--he's in and the HoF more closely mirrors our society. Win-WIN.



wth?? affirmative action got him in? bs. he was a great closer that's why he got in.


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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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they let anyone into the HOF these day, eh?


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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Look I think the save is one of the most overrated stats in baseball especially these days but if any relievers get in ( maybe Hoffman and Rivera excepted ) it should be the guys from the 70s and 80s who pitched more than one inning . Smith is not a HOF worthy.

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Dude threw as had as anyone at the time — about 94.


I remember Harry Caray claiming he threw 103.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Lee Smith deserves to be in the Hof. Should have been in earlier.


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Look I think the save is one of the most overrated stats in baseball especially these days but if any relievers get in ( maybe Hoffman and Rivera excepted ) it should be the guys from the 70s and 80s who pitched more than one inning . Smith is not a HOF worthy.


Uh, Smith had more IP than both Rivera and Hoffman...


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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Look I think the save is one of the most overrated stats in baseball especially these days but if any relievers get in ( maybe Hoffman and Rivera excepted ) it should be the guys from the 70s and 80s who pitched more than one inning . Smith is not a HOF worthy.


Uh, Smith had more IP than both Rivera and Hoffman...


And deserves induction. He had the career lead in what was thought to be an important stat.

And he deserves it in any event. Imho.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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That era : Goosage , Sutter , Smith.

Another guy as a reliever who should be in the HOF : Dan Quisenberry. Guy was almost automatic every time he came out there. And he played in an era where a 1 inn save was unheard of.


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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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badrogue17 wrote:
Look I think the save is one of the most overrated stats in baseball especially these days but if any relievers get in ( maybe Hoffman and Rivera excepted ) it should be the guys from the 70s and 80s who pitched more than one inning . Smith is not a HOF worthy.

Smith was one of those guys for the first 10 years of his career


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badrogue17 wrote:
Look I think the save is one of the most overrated stats in baseball especially these days but if any relievers get in ( maybe Hoffman and Rivera excepted ) it should be the guys from the 70s and 80s who pitched more than one inning . Smith is not a HOF worthy.

Smith was one of those guys for the first 10 years of his career

Cool. I don't think when he pitched I was looking at a HoF'er.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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If Trevor Hoffman is a "no-brainer", Smith is in.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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I'm openly biased and thus happy as a clam that he got in. I'm open to consider very good arguments both for and against his induction, though I'm still waiting to come across one for either side.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Don Tiny wrote:
I'm openly biased and thus happy as a clam that he got in. I'm open to consider very good arguments both for and against his induction, though I'm still waiting to come across one for either side.

He was one of the best ever at what he did, and what he did is important in winning baseball games in the modern era.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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I think the biggest thing with Smith is that when he played, relievers weren't even considered to possibly be HOFers. So, a lot of fans don't think he should be in because when they were watching baseball at the time, relievers weren't that type of player. But he was one of the best or the best of that Era.

Nowadays, relievers are seen as much more important and HOF worthy, and his numbers still stack up with the greats of this era who people think are HOFers. Looking at Smith from a present day lense, he definitely deserves the Hall.


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Essentially the argument over Smith being in the HoF or not isn't really an argument about Smith, but an argument about closers in general.

If you think closers should be in the Hall - Gossage, Sutter, Fingers, Hoffman, etc. then Smith belongs.

If you don't think closers should be in the Hall, then Smith doesn't belong. I've got bad news for you though if you're arguing that closers shouldn't be in the HoF.


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Don Tiny wrote:
I'm openly biased and thus happy as a clam that he got in. I'm open to consider very good arguments both for and against his induction, though I'm still waiting to come across one for either side.

He was one of the two or three best over a decade and pitched in a few hitters' parks. Read an article once that showed how he was hard to replace. After he left the Cards and Cubs, they basically had no closer and had to go spend money to get good ones (Henke) or trade big for one (Cubs--was he part of the Palmiero/Moyer deal?). I think the Red Sox got Reardon (who I thought sucked, apart from his WS with the Twins). I swear, every time I turned on the tayvay, Reardon was getting bombed.

Smith was one of the early closers and then he stayed around (effectively) for a long time and in both leagues.


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Essentially the argument over Smith being in the HoF or not isn't really an argument about Smith, but an argument about closers in general.

If you think closers should be in the Hall - Gossage, Sutter, Fingers, Hoffman, etc. then Smith belongs.

If you don't think closers should be in the Hall, then Smith doesn't belong. I've got bad news for you though if you're arguing that closers shouldn't be in the HoF.

Interesting how some think that closers should not be in the HoF. Having seen so many blown saves (and losses), I can't abide by that. A good closer wins you a division or pennant.

Besides, Eckersley and Rivera shortened the game for their teams. I wouldn't have sex with either, but I'd like to talk to Eckersley's current wife.


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I think the biggest thing with Smith is that when he played, relievers weren't even considered to possibly be HOFers. So, a lot of fans don't think he should be in because when they were watching baseball at the time, relievers weren't that type of player. But he was one of the best or the best of that Era.

Nowadays, relievers are seen as much more important and HOF worthy, and his numbers still stack up with the greats of this era who people think are HOFers. Looking at Smith from a present day lense, he definitely deserves the Hall.

Yup.


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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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Essentially the argument over Smith being in the HoF or not isn't really an argument about Smith, but an argument about closers in general.

If you think closers should be in the Hall - Gossage, Sutter, Fingers, Hoffman, etc. then Smith belongs.

If you don't think closers should be in the Hall, then Smith doesn't belong. I've got bad news for you though if you're arguing that closers shouldn't be in the HoF.

Thats fair enough but I think there are enough differences to set the really elite from the very good. I look at Smith as more of a compiler but its fine, he's in.

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 Post subject: Re: HOF’er Lee Smith
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How can a top closer not be a "compiler"?? His job is to get as many saves as he's given the chance to get, and he did well at that. It's not like he was piling up points and minutes during garbage time in an NBA game.


I wonder what (to me heretofore unknown) fact about his last year in the majors is more inneresting ...
(a) it was 1997
(b) it was with the Expos

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