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Please tell me why meatballs do this stuff :roll:

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/ent ... 2/12470878

I'm tired of hearing that the Cubs are close. It's time to get rid of the old contracts and build around Rich Harden and Carlos Zambrano with defense, hustle and enthusiasm. Call it the Ryan Theriot / Mike Fontenot era.

1st I love the acquisition of Joey Gathwright. He's actually hit at every level he's been used at. I mean 3 AB's per game not just as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement. He also had very good numbers for assists in the minors. He'll never hit for power but start him. While he's starting think about how Bobby Dernier changed the cubs.

2nd Its time for the 3 Amigos to move on. Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee and Alfonzo Soriano are the big name big dollar guys that have actually forced me to watch the hustling Tampa Rays instead of the swing for the fences and miss Cubs. I'd move all 3.

I'd send Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez, while eating a portion of those contracts, to Baltimore. Brian Roberts ? No thanks. More big money. Nice Player but so are Fontenot and Theriot. Let's keep those guys hustling.

Lee and Ramirez to Baltimore for A bag of magic beans works for me, but I'd rather have 4 prospects/ suspects.

1. Little Lefty Troy Patton who could fit nicely between the big righties and become the next Jamie Moyer. Patton is 23.

2. 3B Tyler Henson, who strikes out too much but has power and speed potential. He's 21.

3. LF Luis Montanez, a former Cub Farm hand who it seemed to click for last season at Bowie. He's 27 and finally had a break out year.

4. and AA Right Hand starter - the big name- Chris Tillman, only 20, Tillman dominated at Bowie last year. Going 11-4 with 154 k's.

Baltimore signed Isturiz to play SS next to Roberts, They have Left Handed Power in Scott, Markakis, and Huff, a good looking young kid in Adam Jones in CF, but they have an aging 3B in Melvin Mora and no one at 1st base. If Matt Weiters is what they think he is - Lee and Ramirez in the cozy Camden Yards (I've been to Wrigley and Camden Yards are the better hitters park) is a good fit. They have young pitching in Liz, Olson, Guthrie, Burres, and rookies Matusz and Hernandez. So giving up some kids is do-able and it clears space and helps the cubs long term.

At 1b - I'd look hard at Tampa Bay's Eric Hinske as a short-term and possibly surprising long term replacement. Hinkse grew up a cub fan. Started his career in the cubs minor league system and brings a solid left-handed bat to battle it out with Micah Hoffpair. Hinske can play 4 spots.

At 3B - The short term place holder should be Ty Wiggington an under-rated RH power bat. Josh Vitters eventually takes the role but Wiggington can play baseball and 5 positions. Hinske can play here too, against Righties.

At 2B - Fontenot Both Backed by DeRosa

At SS - Theriot With Ronny Cedeno back

In CF - Gathwright With Reed Johnson in Reserve

In LF - Montanez With DeRosa in Reserve

Which brings me to my next cap clearing trade Rafeal Soriano, can go to a team more tolerant of players that can't touch a curve ball. I'm thinking mutual salary dump here- Soriano and Fukudome to San Francisco for Barry Zito and Nate Schierholtz. Sure Zito took some raps but he started out 0-8 and finished with 4 quality starts in 5 games. With Lincecum, Lowry, Cain, Sanchez as the big four the Giants can afford this. Schierholtz could be a future all-star but Soriano and Fukudome already are and Fukudome's Japanese Heritage would play well in San Fran.

In RF - Schierholtz

Catching - Soto. And Koyie Hill.

Zambrano, Zito, Harden, Ted Lilly and Ryan Dempster make a very expensive Starting Rotation and they also leave Rich Hill and Jason Marquis to move for prospects.

The Bullpen. Gosh I wish they'd have kept Kerry Wood -

but Guzman, Samardzija, Marmol and Gregg from the Right Side all have closer potential. Gaudin is solid in the middle.

and Cotts, and Sean Marshall man the Left Side.

So the Lineup is -

1. CF Joey Gathwright - the next Willie Wilson/ Bobby Dernier

2. SS Theriot

3. RF Schierholz

4. C Soto

5. 1B Hinske / Hoffpair

6. 3B Wiggington

7. LF Montanez or DeRosa

8. 2B Fontenot

If Free Agent Adam Dunn comes cheap enough he could play RF with Montanez moving to the bench.

But we added speed in CF, kept the defense strong up the middle, added Left Handed power, reduced the clutch strike outs by moving Soriano, added another veteran lefty who has a much different arm angle than Ted Lilly. Kept a youthful bullpen in place. and Added - potential future rotation pieces in Patton and Tillman and a potential future stick in Henson. Not too mention getting younger with Schierholtz, Montanez, Gathwright representing the future core with Hoffpair and Vetters and Soto.

Marquis would move to the Rockies or Mets.

Hill would be a nice addition with the Yankees.

Maybe you'd move Cedeno, a reliever, and Reed Johnson or Felix Pie for the right bag of prospects.

But this team would be capable of winning, fun to watch, and capable of sustaining winning with guys like Pie (who I think strikes out too much), Colvin, Henson, Vetters, Tillman and Patton coming on.

It also leaves Zito and Lilly as lefties over 30 and puts a lineup in place with only Wiggington at 3rd over 30 at 31.

The bench is veteran and flexible with Hinske at 3B/1b/RF/LF, DeRosa- if not starting- capable at SS, 3B, 1b, LF and RF, Reed Johnson who can play all 3 outfield positions, Ronnie Cedeno in the middle of the Infield and Koyie Hill as the back-up catcher.

It moves 6 players over 30, by leaving Daryle Ward off the roster and moving Fukudome, Soriano, Lee, and Ramirez and confirming that Jason Marquis is expendable.

It also puts players behind the oldest parts of the roster and makes future moves, like trading Ted Lilly, a long term possibility but not a necessity.

This team contends - for a long time.

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The ONLY thing that you said that made any sense to me, was trading D.Lee. I would make a deal with Baltimore for Dave Roberts, giving them Lee and Marquis, with the Cubs paying half of Marquis contract. But just about everything else in that post just makes me glad that Hendry is GM. I like Markakis a lot too. But I doubt Baltimore would be interested in moving him. What you fail to grasp, is that big money contracts are going to be next to impossible for teams to move. If you are going to pay a substancial amount of a contract just to move a player, and then get poorer production from the players (the ones you suggest) you get in return, I fail to see the logic in that. No, all they need is to deal for Roberts or another legit leadoff man and things will be fine. They have a very good team. A team that has won back to back division titles, had the best record in the entire National League last season, scored the most runs in the league and has one of the best pitching staffs in the league. A major shake-up just because they have had a poor post season the past 2 years, would be a mistake. Lastly, Gathwright is a nice part time player. He can steal a base and has the speed to go get it in the outfield. But he has no power, a poor arm and is NOT an everyday player.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
The ONLY thing that you said that made any sense to me,


I did not write this BS, ES. The only part that was my contribution was:


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Please tell me why meatballs do this stuff :roll:


It was an article I found on cbs sportsline.

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Thank God. That was just a ridiculous bunch of crap.

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RFDC wrote:
Please tell me why meatballs do this stuff :roll:

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/ent ... 2/12470878

I'm tired of hearing that the Cubs are close. It's time to get rid of the old contracts and build around Rich Harden and Carlos Zambrano with defense, hustle and enthusiasm. Call it the Ryan Theriot / Mike Fontenot era.

1st I love the acquisition of Joey Gathwright. He's actually hit at every level he's been used at. I mean 3 AB's per game not just as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement. He also had very good numbers for assists in the minors. He'll never hit for power but start him. While he's starting think about how Bobby Dernier changed the cubs.

2nd Its time for the 3 Amigos to move on. Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee and Alfonzo Soriano are the big name big dollar guys that have actually forced me to watch the hustling Tampa Rays instead of the swing for the fences and miss Cubs. I'd move all 3.

I'd send Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez, while eating a portion of those contracts, to Baltimore. Brian Roberts ? No thanks. More big money. Nice Player but so are Fontenot and Theriot. Let's keep those guys hustling.

Lee and Ramirez to Baltimore for A bag of magic beans works for me, but I'd rather have 4 prospects/ suspects.

1. Little Lefty Troy Patton who could fit nicely between the big righties and become the next Jamie Moyer. Patton is 23.

2. 3B Tyler Henson, who strikes out too much but has power and speed potential. He's 21.

3. LF Luis Montanez, a former Cub Farm hand who it seemed to click for last season at Bowie. He's 27 and finally had a break out year.

4. and AA Right Hand starter - the big name- Chris Tillman, only 20, Tillman dominated at Bowie last year. Going 11-4 with 154 k's.

Baltimore signed Isturiz to play SS next to Roberts, They have Left Handed Power in Scott, Markakis, and Huff, a good looking young kid in Adam Jones in CF, but they have an aging 3B in Melvin Mora and no one at 1st base. If Matt Weiters is what they think he is - Lee and Ramirez in the cozy Camden Yards (I've been to Wrigley and Camden Yards are the better hitters park) is a good fit. They have young pitching in Liz, Olson, Guthrie, Burres, and rookies Matusz and Hernandez. So giving up some kids is do-able and it clears space and helps the cubs long term.

At 1b - I'd look hard at Tampa Bay's Eric Hinske as a short-term and possibly surprising long term replacement. Hinkse grew up a cub fan. Started his career in the cubs minor league system and brings a solid left-handed bat to battle it out with Micah Hoffpair. Hinske can play 4 spots.

At 3B - The short term place holder should be Ty Wiggington an under-rated RH power bat. Josh Vitters eventually takes the role but Wiggington can play baseball and 5 positions. Hinske can play here too, against Righties.

At 2B - Fontenot Both Backed by DeRosa

At SS - Theriot With Ronny Cedeno back

In CF - Gathwright With Reed Johnson in Reserve

In LF - Montanez With DeRosa in Reserve

Which brings me to my next cap clearing trade Rafeal Soriano, can go to a team more tolerant of players that can't touch a curve ball. I'm thinking mutual salary dump here- Soriano and Fukudome to San Francisco for Barry Zito and Nate Schierholtz. Sure Zito took some raps but he started out 0-8 and finished with 4 quality starts in 5 games. With Lincecum, Lowry, Cain, Sanchez as the big four the Giants can afford this. Schierholtz could be a future all-star but Soriano and Fukudome already are and Fukudome's Japanese Heritage would play well in San Fran.

In RF - Schierholtz

Catching - Soto. And Koyie Hill.

Zambrano, Zito, Harden, Ted Lilly and Ryan Dempster make a very expensive Starting Rotation and they also leave Rich Hill and Jason Marquis to move for prospects.

The Bullpen. Gosh I wish they'd have kept Kerry Wood -

but Guzman, Samardzija, Marmol and Gregg from the Right Side all have closer potential. Gaudin is solid in the middle.

and Cotts, and Sean Marshall man the Left Side.

So the Lineup is -

1. CF Joey Gathwright - the next Willie Wilson/ Bobby Dernier

2. SS Theriot

3. RF Schierholz

4. C Soto

5. 1B Hinske / Hoffpair

6. 3B Wiggington

7. LF Montanez or DeRosa

8. 2B Fontenot

If Free Agent Adam Dunn comes cheap enough he could play RF with Montanez moving to the bench.

But we added speed in CF, kept the defense strong up the middle, added Left Handed power, reduced the clutch strike outs by moving Soriano, added another veteran lefty who has a much different arm angle than Ted Lilly. Kept a youthful bullpen in place. and Added - potential future rotation pieces in Patton and Tillman and a potential future stick in Henson. Not too mention getting younger with Schierholtz, Montanez, Gathwright representing the future core with Hoffpair and Vetters and Soto.

Marquis would move to the Rockies or Mets.

Hill would be a nice addition with the Yankees.

Maybe you'd move Cedeno, a reliever, and Reed Johnson or Felix Pie for the right bag of prospects.

But this team would be capable of winning, fun to watch, and capable of sustaining winning with guys like Pie (who I think strikes out too much), Colvin, Henson, Vetters, Tillman and Patton coming on.

It also leaves Zito and Lilly as lefties over 30 and puts a lineup in place with only Wiggington at 3rd over 30 at 31.

The bench is veteran and flexible with Hinske at 3B/1b/RF/LF, DeRosa- if not starting- capable at SS, 3B, 1b, LF and RF, Reed Johnson who can play all 3 outfield positions, Ronnie Cedeno in the middle of the Infield and Koyie Hill as the back-up catcher.

It moves 6 players over 30, by leaving Daryle Ward off the roster and moving Fukudome, Soriano, Lee, and Ramirez and confirming that Jason Marquis is expendable.

It also puts players behind the oldest parts of the roster and makes future moves, like trading Ted Lilly, a long term possibility but not a necessity.

This team contends - for a long time.


What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


What part of "I did not write this" do you not get jackass? It was an article I copied here with a link from cbs sportsline. Reading, try it some time people.

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I got that you were just posting the content, RFDC thanks for exposing that blogger for the delusional douchebag that they are...


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RFDC wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


What part of "I did not write this" do you not get jackass? It was an article I copied here with a link from cbs sportsline. Reading, try it some time people.


Yeah I got that you didn't write it I was responding to the original posters idiocy. Chillax bro.

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RFDC wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


What part of "I did not write this" do you not get jackass? It was an article I copied here with a link from cbs sportsline. Reading, try it some time people.


But why bother to post something that was so ridiculous?? If you do not agree with the opinions of the person who wrote it, why post it?

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


What part of "I did not write this" do you not get jackass? It was an article I copied here with a link from cbs sportsline. Reading, try it some time people.


But why bother to post something that was so ridiculous?? If you do not agree with the opinions of the person who wrote it, why post it?


Well, let's see...for entertainment and/or discussion purposes? Steve you are so f*ing dense sometimes. Get your head out of your ass.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
RFDC wrote:
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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


What part of "I did not write this" do you not get jackass? It was an article I copied here with a link from cbs sportsline. Reading, try it some time people.


But why bother to post something that was so ridiculous?? If you do not agree with the opinions of the person who wrote it, why post it?


Seriously?

I guess I did not realized you are only allowed to post things from people that you agree with :roll:

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This team contends - for a long time.


Um...no. And you're an idiot.


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Speaking of my ass, why don't you just pucker up and plant a big sloppy kiss on it :!: It makes no sense to post an article-written by a fan, NOT a writer, and NOT mention that you disagree with his idea's, unless deep down you agree with the blog. The only discussion it has brought about, is to have several people say how STUPID it is. If thats your idea of great entertainment fine. If you find it so entertaining or thought provoking, why don't you comment on the idea's set forth in it??? I know why-because the next valid and intelligent thought about actual sports that comes from you will be your first. You only comment about other peoples comments, or general discussion topics, because you don't know enough about the subject matter with reguards to sports to post anything valuable. So you had better stick to the general discussion section, where you don't have to worry about knowing anything about sports. Go on, prove me wrong, post some actual thoughts on the idea's this guy has about the moves the Cubs should make. Tell us all why his idea's are valid or not. No, I expect you will just post another comment about what I have said here-proving my point-you are totally ignorant on the subject and unable to post anything of real value about it. Hell, you probably don't even know half the players on the team.

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It makes no sense to post an article-written by a fan, NOT a writer, and NOT mention that you disagree with his idea's, unless deep down you agree with the blog.


You are a complete idiot, you are the one that does not know how to read. The very first line I posted on the thread before I posted the link and article was this:


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Then you perpetuate it, by posting the nonsense here. If it was an article in a newspaper, it could have some relevance. Then people could have done a little critic's corner/Critics at extra large, job on the guy. But this was just some stupid crap a true moron poted in some blog. Thats worthy of posting???? Why do you think that it has only been met with critical disdain?? Probably the writings of some 14-15 year old kid. Go ahead, keep posting stuff like that....

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Ah yes Steve, I have forgotten that you post at such a high level, I am sure I could never reach your level :roll:

Mr. "the Cubs will end the wait in '08" -- how did that work out for ya?

You are one of the DBs that give real Cub fans a bad name.

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I'm sure you are right. This thread doesn't deserve any attention, so I'll stop giving it any.

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If you do not agree with the opinions of the person who wrote it, why post it?


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Ah yes Steve, I have forgotten that you post at such a high level, I am sure I could never reach your level :roll:

Mr. "the Cubs will end the wait in '08" -- how did that work out for ya?

You are one of the DBs that give real Cub fans a bad name.


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RFDC why the hell did you write that article? Its ridiculous!!! Your ideas are questionable at best sir!

Or did Elmhurst Steve write that? I cant tell

Either way Dwight Smith was a pretty good singer


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