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Because we've dealt Cedeno, the sudden realization that a backup MI would be a good idea strikes me as stating the obvious. Backup OF we have plenty of, but backup MI might need to be addressed. Regardless of this debate, the final line of the Rotoworld post amuses the hell out me.

The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Cubs are interested in Bobby Crosby.
The newspaper notes that the Cubs had scouts watching the A's earlier this week. Chicago may view Crosby as a potential middle infield backup after dealing away Ronny Cedeno, but Oakland would likely have to eat a big portion of his $5.25 million salary.

Exactly what would the Cubs give up to get Crosby AND convince the As that eating "a big portion" of his salary would be a good idea? Too funny. :shock: :lol:

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Is there room to keep hoffpauir, miles and crosby on the 25 man roster? What happens to Corey Koskie then? AAA?

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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Koskie's deal has an agreement that if he doesn't start with the big club on opening day, he'll go to Iowa for a minimum of 30 days.


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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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I doubt the Cubs are too worried about where Koskie ends up. They signed him to a minor league deal. As for Crosby I have no idea what he has been up to lately but wasnt he the rookie of the year like half a decade ago?

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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Just looked at his numbers. .296 OBP....Move over Soriano I think we found our leadoff hitter!

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if they somehow manage to pry him from the A's, he should start at short and move Theriot to second until the inevitable injury...

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if they somehow manage to pry him from the A's, he should start at short and move Theriot to second until the inevitable injury...

Fools...I hate Theriot as a shortstop and long for a real one but Crosby and his 220 avg and 280 obp are not the answer.


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if they somehow manage to pry him from the A's, he should start at short and move Theriot to second until the inevitable injury...


That was exactly my thinking on it. He's a better SS and theriot would do very well at 2nd base. He's not a great OBP guy, but he's a good hitter with a little pop and a good SS.

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if they somehow manage to pry him from the A's, he should start at short and move Theriot to second until the inevitable injury...


That was exactly my thinking on it. He's a better SS and theriot would do very well at 2nd base. He's not a great OBP guy, but he's a good hitter with a little pop and a good SS.


I would challenge you to back up your position that he is a good hitter.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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Phil McCracken wrote:
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if they somehow manage to pry him from the A's, he should start at short and move Theriot to second until the inevitable injury...


That was exactly my thinking on it. He's a better SS and theriot would do very well at 2nd base. He's not a great OBP guy, but he's a good hitter with a little pop and a good SS.


I would challenge you to back up your position that he is a good hitter.

He has more hits than Micah Hoffpauir...which makes him legendary


Anybody think Crosby may have gotten his hands on some PED out in oakland...with the 22 hr and everything?


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Crosby will probably be playing 3B for the Yankees. :lol:


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He has more hits than Micah Hoffpauir...which makes him legendary


Anybody think Crosby may have gotten his hands on some PED out in oakland...with the 22 hr and everything?



Unfortunately, that is what we are left to think for any and all improvements in performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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No to Crosby starting, no to Crosby on bench, just no to Crosby in general. Take a look at his career averages - about a .230 hitter with an OBA of or around .300 - that's less than Theriot's average last year. The Cubs need someone, but it ain't Crosby - unless it's Bill Cosby... That would be an improvement.

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I wouldn't have a problem kicking the tires of Crosby. The guy has talent but just hasn't been able to put it together for whatever reason.


Career Stats .239 Avg, .306 OBP, .380 SLG - NO!

Bing Crosby, Bubba Crosby, Crosby Stills and Nash - yes.


Bobby Crosby - NOOOOOOO...

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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So wait..... we traded away DeRosa to save $$ and now have to eat money on Crosby? No thank you. We have a much bigger need for a back up CORNER infielder. We've already got Theriot, Rivas, Lil Fontenot, Miles.... Who plays 1st or 3rd (and don't say the great Micah Hoffpauir) when Ramirez gets hurt or Lee takes a day off?


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TRADE for bobby crosby? why not just keep cedeno then? if he were a free agent i would agree with looking at him, but to trade for him? uhh...no.


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So wait..... we traded away DeRosa to save $$ and now have to eat money on Crosby? No thank you. We have a much bigger need for a back up CORNER infielder. We've already got Theriot, Rivas, Lil Fontenot, Miles.... Who plays 1st or 3rd (and don't say the great Micah Hoffpauir) when Ramirez gets hurt or Lee takes a day off?


3rd is the only concern. Hoffpauir has 1st base taken care of.

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if they somehow manage to pry him from the A's, he should start at short and move Theriot to second until the inevitable injury...


That was exactly my thinking on it. He's a better SS and theriot would do very well at 2nd base. He's not a great OBP guy, but he's a good hitter with a little pop and a good SS.


I would challenge you to back up your position that he is a good hitter.

here is my Cubs offensive strategy. Go get decent AL players. Bring to NL. Succeed in NL. AL players seem to do better when they come over, probably due to lack of good pitching vs. the AL.

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So wait..... we traded away DeRosa to save $$ and now have to eat money on Crosby? No thank you. We have a much bigger need for a back up CORNER infielder. We've already got Theriot, Rivas, Lil Fontenot, Miles.... Who plays 1st or 3rd (and don't say the great Micah Hoffpauir) when Ramirez gets hurt or Lee takes a day off?


3rd is the only concern. Hoffpauir has 1st base taken care of.

he'll take care of it...to the tune of 23 errors in 63 games. Plus Aramis's defense will suddenly become suspect...

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hoffpauir clearly will be the backup 1b and LH pinch hitter - an exact replacement of daryle ward. if koskie shows he has a pulse, he would be the backup 3b. miles would cover the middle infield positions as needed. that backup 3b is the wildcard - it seems like the glaring weakness on the team to me, the other positions seem pretty well covered.


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It is too bad Hoffpaur is not a good fielder and could cover both 1B and 3B. He would be way more valueable then.

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 Post subject: Re: Bobby Crosby?
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Isn't Bobby Crosby like Ronny Cedeno but better in the field?


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here is my Cubs offensive strategy. Go get decent AL players. Bring to NL. Succeed in NL. AL players seem to do better when they come over, probably due to lack of good pitching vs. the AL.

the cubs offense did pretty well last year without any AL players. they didnt need more AL hitters. they needed some quality left-handed hitters. the lineup will be improved this year right up until bradley goes down.


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It is too bad Hoffpaur is not a good fielder and could cover both 1B and 3B. He would be way more valueable then.


agreed, but i think he is a lot more valuable than daryle ward was last year. that position will be an upgrade with hoffpauir.


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here is my Cubs offensive strategy. Go get decent AL players. Bring to NL. Succeed in NL. AL players seem to do better when they come over, probably due to lack of good pitching vs. the AL.


AL pitchers do better in the NL because AL hitting is better than NL hitting.


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Old Man River wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
here is my Cubs offensive strategy. Go get decent AL players. Bring to NL. Succeed in NL. AL players seem to do better when they come over, probably due to lack of good pitching vs. the AL.


AL pitchers do better in the NL because AL hitting is better than NL hitting.



AL pitchers do better in the NL because the NL doesnt have a DH. simple as that.


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AL pitchers do better in the NL because the NL doesnt have a DH. simple as that.


Wrong. AL lineups are stronger top to bottom because they have to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox. Those franchises raised the bar and have brought the rest of league with them.


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man of few opinions wrote:
AL pitchers do better in the NL because the NL doesnt have a DH. simple as that.


Wrong. AL lineups are stronger top to bottom because they have to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox. Those franchises raised the bar and have brought the rest of league with them.


You're both right in part. That, and the cyclical nature of the game over the decades, leads to the advantage of AL hitters over NL hitters.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
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AL pitchers do better in the NL because the NL doesnt have a DH. simple as that.


Wrong. AL lineups are stronger top to bottom because they have to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox. Those franchises raised the bar and have brought the rest of league with them.


Not wrong. They are stronger top to bottom because they dump millions and millions of dollars more into the DH, who immediately is deposited into the middle of every lineup in the AL, instantly making every lineup more powerful than their equivalents in the NL. naturally a pitcher has an easier time of it in the NL for that reason alone, not because the AL has more competitive spirit to keep up with the red sox.


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Keyser Soze wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
AL pitchers do better in the NL because the NL doesnt have a DH. simple as that.


Wrong. AL lineups are stronger top to bottom because they have to compete against the Yankees and Red Sox. Those franchises raised the bar and have brought the rest of league with them.


You're both right in part. That, and the cyclical nature of the game over the decades, leads to the advantage of AL hitters over NL hitters.


Agreed. I just wanted to clarify what CoF said previously.


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