Per Rosenthal (via 670)

When Rosenthal.......made this.........announcement...........did he pause..........after......every other..........word?

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May as well try and get something for Harden. They most likely wouldn't re-sign him anyway. Heilman can eat a dick. I'd ship his ass to Siberia if possible.

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Second City Saint

Do something with Harden. They'd still get something for him if they trade him now, wouldn't they? The Cubs won't seek to resign him and this is a contract year isn't it? Season is over. There's 7 teams ahead of them in the playoff hunt, and they're all better teams.
the Cubs will be peeling off payroll dollars until they're a $65 million dollar team. The window is closed. Rickets has to make this team more profitable.
Yeah, Harden is gone, and I am not going to miss heilman at all.

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Randy Wells made Rich Harden expendable. Sean Marshall will probably get another chance to start next season. Either him or Jeff Smardijza.

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Harden is anything but expendable. He's been really good and fairly reliable this year. He's young, he's good. I wouldn't mind having him on this team again next year with Wells but... this is about new shit ownership, profitability. The Cubs will take each chance they get to shed payroll. The Dallas Green, Jim Fry, Larry Himes type teams are going to be back again.

EDIT: How could I forget Ed Lynch?

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If the Cubs trade Rich now though, they will lose the draft pick compensation. They better get one helluva package from a team willing to overpay for a month (plus playoffs) of service time from Harden.

Trevor Hoffman also claimed off waivers...That's all SHARK knows.

Harden is a type A free agent which would get the cubs 2 draft picks but they would have to offer him arbitration. Hendry didn't offer arbitration to Wood or Howry (both type A free agents) last season so if he's unwilling to do so with Harden maybe he should get what he can now.

That's a good point ... I bet a lot of Type A's will not get offered arbitration this year. Kenny Williams got very lucky on Cabrera last year. OC had to kicking himself after signing a one year/low cash deal after turning down $9MM+ that he would have gotten in arbitration.

Kershaw for Harden?


Are you fucking kidding me?

(early report, dont get your panties rafttered just yet)

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Teinowitz says he heard the Marlins claimed harden....

HA! The Dodgers wouldn't give up Kershaw for a year and a half of Doc Halladay but they're going to give him up for a month of Rich Harden?? I don't think so.

Baseball Tonight says that Harden most likely won't be traded, that Hendry is feeling the pressure to win. This season is over, why not try to get a potential prospect.

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Fuck Edwards and Zobrist

As a free agent, I'm guessing Harden would secure a big deal - something on the order of 4/48. Like you said, he's young and had a good season. Someone will give him 10+ a year.

Because you can 2 1st rd picks, if he just walks

Does anyone at Baseball Tonight watch the Cubs?

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Exactly-if the potential deal, is really no good, they need to pull him back and retain him for the draft picks...unless they are of a mind to sign him to a new contract. That would be pretty risky though, with his injury history. Probably best to take the picks. Heilman...any decent prospect will do. He has some value, but not reliable enough to really want to retain.

As far as Trevor Hoffman is concerned, he was just on a 1 year deal with the Brewers anyway, wasn't he? They draft so well, I wouldnt be surprised if he was pulled back, if they can't get decent compensation.

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Yeah, but Harden is at a fairly low salary right now, so I don't think he would break the bank in arbitration, and he would not accept arbitration if he could break the bank.

You guys are looking at this incorrectly, the Cubs should look to lose a bad contract with Harden in any trade. Take some A ball pitcher but lose either Bradley or Fukudome and you have an excellent trade.

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Contrary to Paul Sullivan I'm not sure he's going to be breaking any banks. He makes $7M this season and would make what, $8M-$10M in arbitration? He may accept that and try to make a run at his 2nd 30 start/180 innings pitched season of his career. They should trade him so they won't run the risk of him coming back.

id like to see the cubs keep harden around for a couple years if the price is to their liking. i dont think his history is worth a long term lucrative contract but if he wants to sign for a year or 2 at maybe 6 or 7 mil a year i think the cubs should do it. he was really healthy this year and hes been lights out since the all star break

I agree offer him a 2-3 year deal that maxes out around the 8-10 million mark. But make it incentive based on innings pitch/appearances.

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Team Cutler.

Dear Jim Hendry's replacement,


DO NOT resign Rich Harden.

Sincerely,
Me

I don't see the harm of offering him a contract structured in such a way to save some money if his arm troubles come back. Especially since his injury history will keep his price relatively down and he has the talent to be a number 1-2 pitcher on the staff.

If he turns it down certainly don't get into a bidding war, but I think they should try.

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Team Cutler.

exactly. they shouldnt offer him a deal like dempster got but if they can get him for a year maybe 2 with incentive based money then i dont see what the problem is. when hes healthy and on he is one of the most unhittable pitchers in the league

Hendry hinted at a few other guys having been claimed on waivers. I'm hoping possibly Fox, Bradley, Fukudome, Fontenot, Dempster, and others. Maybe they can dump a few contracts, or get rid of guys like Fox and Fontenot who aren't good enough to be every day guys, or in Fox's case, not in the NL.

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Fuck Edwards and Zobrist

Hendry said at least 12 guys were claimed, yet he didn't trade anyone. WTF.

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Fuck Edwards and Zobrist

I'm assuming the players claimed were Lilly, Marshall, Guzman, Marmol, Wells, Ramirez, Fox, Theroit, etc. Those are the players they want to keep. Nobody was claiming the players they want to get rid of like Soriano, Bradley, Dempster, Big Dumbass, Fukudome, Gregg, etc.

I'd bet at least 10 players from each team get claimed every year. Very few get actually get moved. The Red Sox used to put Manny on waivers every year yet nobody took him.

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JohnKirk wrote: I dont get it...

The Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan writes that the Cubs have no plans to bring back Rich Harden, as eluded to by manager Lou Piniella. Prior to losing the final road game of the season to the San Francisco, Piniella ran down the 2010 rotation.

"You look at our starting pitching here for next year," Piniella said. "You've got (Carlos) Zambrano, you've got (Ryan) Dempster, you've got (Randy) Wells, you've got (Ted) Lilly, you've got (Tom) Gorzelanny, and you've got (Jeff) Samardzija...And if this kid keeps improving, he'll be right in the mix. So we've got six nice arms."

If they don't plan on bringing harden back why didn't they trade him when the Twins claimed him of waivers?? Are they going for the draft picks by offering arbitration and hope he turns it down?? That could be VERY risky unless they think there's a team dumb enough to offer him a multi-year deal.