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Now that the owners have approved tis sale, the courts have said OK, I would assume the money has been wired or is scheduled to be wired.

It is now time to take center stage of the titanic that you just bought the keys too!

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I like that he's not a Jerry Jones type of owner. I hope he maintains a lower profile and gets the best possible people in place to run the team (Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncam for Manager and Pitching Coach) and lets the Baseball people run things. The biggest thing that I want to know from him, is whether the payroll stays where it is, goes up, or gets cut somewhat and if there will be changes with reguards to the GM and Manager/coaches (besides Von Joshua).

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I like that he's not a Jerry Jones type of owner. I hope he maintains a lower profile and gets the best possible people in place to run the team (Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncam for Manager and Pitching Coach) and lets the Baseball people run things. The biggest thing that I want to know from him, is whether the payroll stays where it is, goes up, or gets cut somewhat and if there will be changes with reguards to the GM and Manager/coaches (besides Von Joshua).

Steve, we have no idea what type of owner he will be. If he keeps Hendry, for sure, he is a fucking idiot. So, you will be kindred spirits.

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Reason, I called for Trevor Hoffman rather than trading for Gregg, called for Ibanez or Abreau and NOT Bradley. I wanted Roberts or Furcal, to get a true leadoff hitter, with Theriot moving to 2B if it was Furcal. Almost every call was right, with the exception of trading Derek Lee, who had a great season. I would have traded him to play Hoffpauir and Fox at 1st and save the 13.5 million Lee makes to help pay for some of the others I wanted brought in. I hated the moves Hendry made and have called for his firing. So fuck off old fart.

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Reason, I called for Trevor Hoffman rather than trading for Gregg, called for Ibanez or Abreau and NOT Bradley. I wanted Roberts or Furcal, to get a true leadoff hitter, with Theriot moving to 2B if it was Furcal. Almost every call was right, with the exception of trading Derek Lee, who had a great season. I would have traded him to play Hoffpauir and Fox at 1st and save the 13.5 million Lee makes to help pay for some of the others I wanted brought in. I hated the moves Hendry made and have called for his firing. So fuck off old fart.

I do not believe you called for all these things. Steve, you have a penchant for revisionist history when it comes to evaluation of Cub moves. All of what you say may be true, I do not have the time, nor the energy to look through your posts to verify the accuracy of your claims.
But I am quite certain you are full of shit.

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Reason, I called for Trevor Hoffman rather than trading for Gregg, called for Ibanez or Abreau and NOT Bradley. I wanted Roberts or Furcal, to get a true leadoff hitter, with Theriot moving to 2B if it was Furcal. Almost every call was right, with the exception of trading Derek Lee, who had a great season. I would have traded him to play Hoffpauir and Fox at 1st and save the 13.5 million Lee makes to help pay for some of the others I wanted brought in. I hated the moves Hendry made and have called for his firing. So fuck off old fart.

I do not believe you called for all these things. Steve, you have a penchant for revisionist history when it comes to evaluation of Cub moves. All of what you say may be true, I do not have the time, nor the energy to look through your posts to verify the accuracy of your claims.
But I am quite certain you are full of shit.


Steve, you have a penchant for revisionist history when it comes to evaluation of Cub moves.

Calling out Steve is like not hearing TBS promos. Thank you.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
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Reason, I called for Trevor Hoffman rather than trading for Gregg, called for Ibanez or Abreau and NOT Bradley. I wanted Roberts or Furcal, to get a true leadoff hitter, with Theriot moving to 2B if it was Furcal. Almost every call was right, with the exception of trading Derek Lee, who had a great season. I would have traded him to play Hoffpauir and Fox at 1st and save the 13.5 million Lee makes to help pay for some of the others I wanted brought in. I hated the moves Hendry made and have called for his firing. So fuck off old fart.

I do not believe you called for all these things. Steve, you have a penchant for revisionist history when it comes to evaluation of Cub moves. All of what you say may be true, I do not have the time, nor the energy to look through your posts to verify the accuracy of your claims.
But I am quite certain you are full of shit.



I made mistakes in judgement-I did not want to keep Derek Lee and was in favor of trading Marquis for anything at all. But everything else...Furcal and Roberts, Ibanez or Abreau and not Bradley and Hoffman, is all fact. If you did not have such good judgement, I am not surprised. You have never seemed very knowledgeable about baseball to me.

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First off...Jerry Jones has brought 3 Super Bowls titles to the Cowboys and their fans. Yeah that would suck huh ES? You are a racist idiot so shut the fuck up. I'm done w/ you now.

As for Ricketts....I think he is still laying low because there is another bankruptcy hearing that has to take place before any money changes hands and it becomes official-official so to speak. The hearing is expected to be a formality and is scheduled within a few weeks, I believe. That will be the final step...and then we can see what this Ricketts character is like.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Reason, I called for Trevor Hoffman rather than trading for Gregg, called for Ibanez or Abreau and NOT Bradley. I wanted Roberts or Furcal, to get a true leadoff hitter, with Theriot moving to 2B if it was Furcal. Almost every call was right, with the exception of trading Derek Lee, who had a great season. I would have traded him to play Hoffpauir and Fox at 1st and save the 13.5 million Lee makes to help pay for some of the others I wanted brought in. I hated the moves Hendry made and have called for his firing. So fuck off old fart.


You called for these things and Hendrey did not do them? Did you tell him you were THE Elmhurst Steve and could get references from Mac, CJH and B&B as to being a top notch caller??

Until Ricketts takes over, we will not know anything. I think he will keep Hendry for at least one year until he gets his feet wet, then look to take things over.

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First off...Jerry Jones has brought 3 Super Bowls titles to the Cowboys and their fans. Yeah that would suck huh ES? You are a racist idiot so shut the fuck up. I'm done w/ you now.

As for Ricketts....I think he is still laying low because there is another bankruptcy hearing that has to take place before any money changes hands and it becomes official-official so to speak. The hearing is expected to be a formality and is scheduled within a few weeks, I believe. That will be the final step...and then we can see what this Ricketts character is like.



Jones did very well when he had the right Coach in place and BEFORE he took over as his own GM. Jimmy Johnson was outstanding for them. But once Jones decided he wanted to take more of a hands-on approach.....well, the results speak for themselves. Pac-Man, Tank, T.O., Zach , how are his brilliant moves working out. Oh, and Romo sucks! Perhaps the most overrated QB in football today and he's at his worst, when you need him to be at his best...at the end of the season/playoffs. Jones should have stayed with his original M.O. which was hiring the best people and letting them do their jobs. Thats what I am hoping Ricketts will do.

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If he keeps Hendry, for sure, he is a fucking idiot. So, you will be kindred spirits.

I doubt he will, but if Lou is coming back next year, might as well keep Hendry. Clean house all at once either this year or next year.


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First off...Jerry Jones has bought 3 Super Bowls titles

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Yankees have been buying world series titles since the beginning. I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

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Yankees have been buying world series titles since the beginning. I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

Not true. The yankee's world series teams were mostly homegrown.

Once they started buying up every free agent, they stopped advancing in the playoffs....If they win this year it will be the first Purchased Championship


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I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

Because with the exponential growth of the payroll the past few years, the Cubs haven't been trying to do just that?

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Yankees have been buying world series titles since the beginning. I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

Not true. The yankee's world series teams were mostly homegrown.

Once they started buying up every free agent, they stopped advancing in the playoffs....If they win this year it will be the first Purchased Championship


I believe the 2003 A.L. East Championship team included Jason Giambi, Robin Ventura, Raul Mondesi, Todd Zeile, Aaron Boone, David Wells, Roger Clemens and Mike Mussina, as well as guys like Jose Contreras and Hideki Matsui, who were really free agents too. That championship was indeed bought and paid for. Without the significant contributions of the free agents signed to play for that team, they would not have won it.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Yankees have been buying world series titles since the beginning. I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

Not true. The yankee's world series teams were mostly homegrown.

Once they started buying up every free agent, they stopped advancing in the playoffs....If they win this year it will be the first Purchased Championship


I believe the 2003 team included Jason Giambi, Robin Ventura, Raul Mondesi, Todd Zeile, Aaron Boone, David Wells, Roger Clemens and Mike Mussina, as well as guys like Jose Contreras and Hideki Matsui, who were really free agents too. That championship was indeed bought and paid for. Without the significant contributions of the free agents signed to play for that team, they would not have won it.

ARE. YOU. FUCKING. KIDDING?
Were you on a month long Acid Trip in October of 2003? The Marlins, the team K Wood homered against in Game 7 NOT the Braves in Game 5, won the 2003 World Series.

This has to be you attempting a PUNK. Youve gotten pretty much every aspect of that season wrong.

Youve succeeded in making my point though as 2003 was the year they started overspending and they havent won since then.

The bolded players were not even starters on the 2003 yankees


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Pretty sure the yankees won some world series' with a guy named Babe Ruth. Reggie Jackson comes to mind. I wont waste my time looking for details...but the yankees have always had big money and never hesitated to sign the big name free agents. Home-grown talent too....yes, but never hurts to bring in a stud pitcher and stud hitter and whatever you need on a year to year to year to year basis. If Ricketts wants to operate that way...I'd be cool with that.

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If Ricketts wants to operate that way...I'd be cool with that.

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I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

Because with the exponential growth of the payroll the past few years, the Cubs haven't been trying to do just that?

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The Yankees spend like they do because they make more money than anyone.

The Cubs will not be able to come anywhere close to the Yankees.

For the 2007 season, the Yankees had revenue of 327 million dollars.
They had a payroll of 253 million dollars.
Percentage of revenue for payroll: 77%
For the same season, the Cubs had revenue of 214 million dollars..
They had a payroll of 130 million dollars.
Percentage of revenue for payroll: 60%

Even if the Cubs were to pay out the same percentage, which is nearly impossible, the Cubs would only be able to pay out 164 million.

The Cubs can't buy a championship until they get a new stadium and the CUBS network.

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A lot of World Series winning teams were not the highest spending team in the year they won the series, so spending the most, is not necessary. However, spending amongst the least, almost certainly assures that a team will struggle. Of course the rays had a low payroll and at least made it to the series, but that is highly unusual. As long as the Cubs payroll is sufficient to keep their top talent and add a free agent to fill voids when needed, thats okay. It would be nice to be able to add guys like Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira all in the same off season though.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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If Ricketts wants to operate that way...I'd be cool with that.

Once again;
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I will not mind if Mr. Ricketts feels like buying one, or two...or three...or more for the Cubs.

Because with the exponential growth of the payroll the past few years, the Cubs haven't been trying to do just that?



Sorry Frank. I was not ignoring your post. You are right on. They have tried...but IMO opinion they were trying to do so within a window of time... until the team was sold. No one was really being held accountable and that is why they were able to throw money around and back load the stupid contracts because they were truly spending someone elses money. They tried and failed miserably and that falls on Hendry. He has positioned this team very badly for the near future.

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It would be nice to be able to add guys like Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira all in the same off season though.

The Cubs did better. They added Miles and Bradley.

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So fuck off old fart.


so you're being ironic when you complain about discourse devolving into pointless namecalling, right?

that's a rhetorical question, btw. and rhetorical means you don't have to answer it. just wanted you to know that, so you wouldn't have to look it up.


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If thats all the post contained was the few words that you chose to re-post, it would be a fair question.

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now maybe i *do* want you to answer that question...because i'm not sure you understand things that well.


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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... 6329.story

A U.S. bankruptcy judge on Tuesday ruled that Tribune Co. and the Chicago Cubs can proceed with the team's $845 million sale to the Ricketts family.

As part of the process to facilitate the sale, the Cubs filed for bankruptcy protection in Delaware Monday in a move solely designed to protect the Ricketts so creditors in Tribune Co.'s own bankruptcy case would have no claim against the sold company.

Under terms of the deal, the Cubs, Wrigley Field and 25 percent of Comcast SportsNet Chicago will be placed in a limited partnership owned 95 percent by the Rickettses. Tribune Co. will retain 5 percent in the complex structure intended to reduce the sizable tax bill that would otherwise accompany an outright sale. The Ricketts family will contribute $823 million to the partnership. Tribune Co., which owns the Chicago Tribune, will receive about $740 million after taxes and other adjustments.

"We are pleased with the court's ruling today," a Tribune spokesman said. "We expect to conclude the Cubs transaction before the end of the month and will make an announcement when closing is complete."

Major League Baseball already has signed off on the deal

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