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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:47 pm 
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He did a fine job getting the lead back after Wells shit it away.

11 bombs, 37 rbi, and he ran out an infield single today which speaks volumes about the effort this guy puts out when he absolutely doesnt have to.

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He did a fine job getting the lead back after Wells shit it away.

11 bombs, 37 rbi, and he ran out an infield single today which speaks volumes about the effort this guy puts out when he absolutely doesnt have to.

Great teammate.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:50 pm 
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He did a fine job getting the lead back after Wells shit it away.

11 bombs, 37 rbi, and he ran out an infield single today which speaks volumes about the effort this guy puts out when he absolutely doesnt have to.

Great teammate.

The money he is being paid makes him look far worse than he actually is.

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Has that ball landed yet?

30 seconds before he hit it I asked aloud "who would want to sit in the 3rd deck in the outfield stands?".


Now I know why.

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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:01 am 
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Jed needs to find a buyer.


Nobody is touching that contract. Cubs would have to pay at least 80%, if not more and get nothing of value back.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:49 pm 
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Since Soriano was signed by Hendry, he has been worth a grand total of 5.3 wins above replacement. 4.1 of those came in the first year of his deal, with 1.2 over the last 5 years. $120+ million for what turned out to be a replacement-level player. It's possible that by the end of the contract, his cumulative WAR will be negative.

Having said that, his latest--if otherwise meaningless--tear gives me hope that someone in the AL will bite.

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Since Soriano was signed by Hendry, he has been worth a grand total of 5.3 wins above replacement. 4.1 of those came in the first year of his deal, with 1.2 over the last 5 years. $120+ million for what turned out to be a replacement-level player. It's possible that by the end of the contract, his cumulative WAR will be negative.

Having said that, his latest--if otherwise meaningless--tear gives me hope that someone in the AL will bite.


I hope Detroit panics and asks for Garza and him and of course cash and then Crosby and Turner and now an additional top prospect come back. I think they will wait to see how he hits against the sox as they would be a future divisional opponent for him and then be ready to pull the trigger on something. They are a win now team and are getting too far behind too early.

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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Since Soriano was signed by Hendry, he has been worth a grand total of 5.3 wins above replacement. 4.1 of those came in the first year of his deal, with 1.2 over the last 5 years. $120+ million for what turned out to be a replacement-level player. It's possible that by the end of the contract, his cumulative WAR will be negative.

Having said that, his latest--if otherwise meaningless--tear gives me hope that someone in the AL will bite.

He only has two years left on his deal. You would think an AL team could work something out for a 2.5 year DH that could actually help their team.

Soriano can help a team. He will be traded, eventually.

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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Since Soriano was signed by Hendry, he has been worth a grand total of 5.3 wins above replacement. 4.1 of those came in the first year of his deal, with 1.2 over the last 5 years. $120+ million for what turned out to be a replacement-level player. It's possible that by the end of the contract, his cumulative WAR will be negative.

Having said that, his latest--if otherwise meaningless--tear gives me hope that someone in the AL will bite.


I hope Detroit panics and asks for Garza and him and of course cash and then Crosby and Turner and now an additional top prospect come back. I think they will wait to see how he hits against the sox as they would be a future divisional opponent for him and then be ready to pull the trigger on something. They are a win now team and are getting too far behind too early.

I'm for anything that will help Detroit.

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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
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I think I would ask for catcher Rob Brantley as the 3rd player in that deal. Hell...if they want to get crazy then I would add Dempster to the deal and then I would scratch Brantley and add Castellanos.

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cpguy wrote:
Jed needs to find a buyer.


Nobody is touching that contract. Cubs would have to pay at least 80%, if not more and get nothing of value back.

Ya think!

Find a buyer. I'd settle for paying 90% of the freight...


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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:19 pm 
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I think I would ask for catcher Rob Brantley as the 3rd player in that deal. Hell...if they want to get crazy then I would add Dempster to the deal and then I would scratch Brantley and add Castellanos.

The coming trade deadline is going to tell me a great deal about Theo and friends.

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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:26 pm 
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
I think I would ask for catcher Rob Brantley as the 3rd player in that deal. Hell...if they want to get crazy then I would add Dempster to the deal and then I would scratch Brantley and add Castellanos.

The coming trade deadline is going to tell me a great deal about Theo and friends.

Yes indeed. They have 2 stud pitchers to unload and he better not get a pile of shit or class a prospects back.

For both of those guys they have to get 3 of the top 100 overall prospects back. 2 for Garza and 1 for Dempster.

I also heard a weird rumor from a cleveland fan that the Indians were interested in a LaHair for Chisenhall deal.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
I think I would ask for catcher Rob Brantley as the 3rd player in that deal. Hell...if they want to get crazy then I would add Dempster to the deal and then I would scratch Brantley and add Castellanos.

The coming trade deadline is going to tell me a great deal about Theo and friends.

Yes indeed. They have 2 stud pitchers to unload and he better not get a pile of shit or class a prospects back.

For both of those guys they have to get 3 of the top 100 overall prospects back. 2 for Garza and 1 for Dempster.

I also heard a weird rumor from a cleveland fan that the Indians were interested in a LaHair for Chisenhall deal.

I assign you the task of keeping me informed on the coming transactions of Theo and friends. Count me in the camp of 'all hat no cattle' until further notice.

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 Post subject: Re: Soriano is back
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I guess we could only hope to get this contract off the books.

By Bruce Levine

Talks have intensified over the past 24 hours between the Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Dodgers in a potential trade for pitcher Ryan Dempster that now includes outfielder Alfonso Soriano, according to a major league source.

Cubs manager Dale Sveum said before Monday's game against the Pittsburgh Pirates that he would be surprised if Dempster is still a Cub after the deadline.

"Yeah I'd be surprised I guess," Sveum said. "Yeah I would.

"There's just too many teams, and he's too good a pitcher for people not to want him these last two months."

Soriano told ESPNChicago.com on Sunday that he had not yet been approached by the Cubs about waiving his 10 and 5 rights, which gives him veto power over any trade as a veteran of 10 major league seasons and the past five with the same team. In the sixth year of an eight-year, $136 million contract, Soriano is still owed $44 million. How much of that $44 million the Cubs are willing to eat could determine whether he gets moved.

With the non-waiver trade deadline approaching at 3 p.m. CT Tuesday, Soriano, 36, said he would consider a trade depending on the team and the city involved.

"It will have to be a good city with a good team," Soriano said Sunday. "I would give the team the opportunity to trade me, but as I said the team and city would have to be good. Nobody has come to me about a trade yet, so we have two or three days left. We will just wait and see what happens."

The San Francisco Giants have also made inquiries about Soriano, according to another major league source.

The Dodgers, who have also shown interest in pitcher Matt Garza, have been high on Dempster's list since he was asked to give the Cubs the teams he would consider going to in a June meeting with president of baseball operations Theo Epstein.

The Cubs had a deal in place on July 23 with the Atlanta Braves for Dempster, but he did not consent to the trade initially causing the Braves to take the deal off of the table the next day.

Dempster is scheduled to start for the Cubs on Tuesday against the Pittsburgh Pirates if he's not traded by then.

"Well, I'm preparing for it, and we'll see if anything changes from there," Dempster said Monday. "Baseball is a game of adjustments, and if that's not the case then I'll have to adjust and go from there. But for right now that's my goal, and that's what I'm trying to get ready for."

Asked if he has a gut feeling about where he will end up, Dempster said, "I have all kinds of gut feelings right now. I'm just trying to focus and narrow my focus to doing what I need to do to do my job if that's what is going to happen (Tuesday)."

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I guess we could only hope to get this contract off the books.

By Bruce Levine

Talks have intensified over the past 24 hours between the Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Dodgers in a potential trade for pitcher Ryan Dempster that now includes outfielder Alfonso Soriano, according to a major league source.

Cubs manager Dale Sveum said before Monday's game against the Pittsburgh Pirates that he would be surprised if Dempster is still a Cub after the deadline.

"Yeah I'd be surprised I guess," Sveum said. "Yeah I would.

"There's just too many teams, and he's too good a pitcher for people not to want him these last two months."

Soriano told ESPNChicago.com on Sunday that he had not yet been approached by the Cubs about waiving his 10 and 5 rights, which gives him veto power over any trade as a veteran of 10 major league seasons and the past five with the same team. In the sixth year of an eight-year, $136 million contract, Soriano is still owed $44 million. How much of that $44 million the Cubs are willing to eat could determine whether he gets moved.

With the non-waiver trade deadline approaching at 3 p.m. CT Tuesday, Soriano, 36, said he would consider a trade depending on the team and the city involved.

"It will have to be a good city with a good team," Soriano said Sunday. "I would give the team the opportunity to trade me, but as I said the team and city would have to be good. Nobody has come to me about a trade yet, so we have two or three days left. We will just wait and see what happens."

The San Francisco Giants have also made inquiries about Soriano, according to another major league source.

The Dodgers, who have also shown interest in pitcher Matt Garza, have been high on Dempster's list since he was asked to give the Cubs the teams he would consider going to in a June meeting with president of baseball operations Theo Epstein.

The Cubs had a deal in place on July 23 with the Atlanta Braves for Dempster, but he did not consent to the trade initially causing the Braves to take the deal off of the table the next day.

Dempster is scheduled to start for the Cubs on Tuesday against the Pittsburgh Pirates if he's not traded by then.

"Well, I'm preparing for it, and we'll see if anything changes from there," Dempster said Monday. "Baseball is a game of adjustments, and if that's not the case then I'll have to adjust and go from there. But for right now that's my goal, and that's what I'm trying to get ready for."

Asked if he has a gut feeling about where he will end up, Dempster said, "I have all kinds of gut feelings right now. I'm just trying to focus and narrow my focus to doing what I need to do to do my job if that's what is going to happen (Tuesday)."
He shouldve answered, divorce court for sure.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:39 pm 
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According to Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network Radio on Sirius XM, Alfonso Soriano has told the Cubs that he will not accept a trade to the Giants.

Did they actually want him?? If they did, ouch babe.


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I'm not sure I believe much that Bowden has to say. Not sure why Sori wouldn't want to go to a contender at this point in his career.

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