It's like he and Bernstein are in a battle to see whose faith in The Plan runs deepest.

Oh, and every player ever acquired can be "flipped" for legitimate MLB prospects.

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There is nothing to like about Rozner. I know he has his fans on this board. However, he is only acceptable in very small doses. As a multi-decade reader of the DH, I can tell you his opinions will wear on you. He is a know-it-all with a bad sense of humor.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

That's definitely how he comes across on the radio.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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Its possible to support the long term plan and still admit that the process is misery.

And there is no need to defend management. All you can say is, it better workout in the next few years but for now all skepticism is warranted

This Coop interview is funny. Coop disagreeing with every Rozner assertion.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I have always agreed with Rozner on his Cubs philosophy of the need to blow it up. I am 100%on board with the Theo plan. I think it's a waste to spend money on free agents that will not be here when things are turned around. I am very excited about the amount of high level minor talent that is on the verge of coming to the big leagues. The Cubs have real assets and a lot of them.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I would be skeptical of any plan. A REPORTER is paid to be skeptical of any plan. Not Barry

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Leave Seacrest alone.

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I thought you are on board?

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I'd say that someone who doesn't is a mental case, or a shill, or perhaps both.

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Well said by both. I support the process, but that does not mean I am enjoying it. It would be so much easier if Rizzo and Castro lived up to their promise. That is what is killing me right now.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

You said they need to be trying to compete for the playoffs this year.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That was my hope. Im disappointed that it's a long shot but that doesnt mean I hate everything about what theyre doing.

This thread title makes me smile.

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Personally, I think Bernstein wins it easily if we are talking about faith in the plan. Not sure Rozner has demonstrated much faith in the plan, just the understanding what they are doing and why.

Bernstein loves the system, the stat guys, talking to Theo about stats, etc. He needs them to be good to validate the entire SABRE viewpoint over the old crusty coach saying a guy can play.

This years trade of Sammy needs Major league pitching to be produced. Major league pitching is a guy who is on the mound for the Cubs next year.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

The problem is that this far into the THE PLAN, we should be starting to see the beginnings of the upswing, the fans need something to say, "there it is!" and so far...nothing. Castro has regressed and Rizzo has not really shown that he will be a major factor for the future. To this point, he's just a guy, at best.

I'm more interested in a guy like Olt. But, that's it. Even pitchers, like Strop, are pushing 30.

The good news seems to be that we are probably weeks away from the beginning of this and that's probably why the frustration is flaring up at this point, at least for me.

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You know me like that.

I think the fact that the farm is rich with talent is a reason to be a little patient. We're not talking about 1 so called can't miss prospect like we were 5 to 10 years ago. There are about 10 of these guys and there is no chance all of them will be bad.

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GO BEARS!!!

Just so everyone keeps the scorecard straight on The(o) Plan:

1. Rizzo was the first piece
2. Baez was not Theo's pick

Take those two pieces of information into consideration and tell me why faith is justified over skepticism

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His posts on this board have been that way, too.

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wrong religion and suburb or origin

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There is a chance that all of them, perhaps with the exception of Baez will in fact be bad. It's fairly well settled, but never politely mentioned that Theo & his boyquarium have a spotty (at best) record of finding and developing young talent on an even playing field. The next pitcher they "find" will still be their first (I never got the Papelbon love). Their free agent record may be worse. That is, unless you can wield the resources to fleece a sob sister like the Marlins.

He no longer has his needle in the ass guys, nor his crutch (Bill James), nor the deep pockets of the BoSox organization. Nor an actual baseball guy to hand hold him (Larry Lucchino). The longer I hear about Theo and his plan, or look at how things actually came into place in Boston, the more I'm convinced he's simply another rich kid fraud. After looking at the development of Rizzo and the regression of Castro (after a big $ deal), I'm starting to believe he knows less than a LL parent whose kid is better off in the back row of a school band.

Maybe the Red Sox should have let his soft, entitled, whiny bitch ass go away the first time he quit on them.

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Nice.

Rack him, Bryan.

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RPB is going to explode.

You forgot to mention the dramatic change in Red Sox success once he left and they purged the team of his contracts

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Now that I think about it, he wasn't even in charge of the rebuilding of Fenway into the bigger cash cow that it is. The actual team president and deep pocketed owners took care of that.

An actual team president would have a schedule and then follow that up with meeting actual construction goals. I guess that's a concept that the *blow job crowd fails to recognize. You know, Point A to Point B to (what'd the Chairman's guy call it?) Point C?!? Theo, not so much.

It must hurt not to be able to blame Crane Kenney for all of this anymore.

(* This isn't directed at you Bryan)

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I've always thought Rozner and Rosenbloom get too much credit here for "standing up to Bernstein" when that's not always the case, as in this example, and that's hardly sufficient for being good at radio.

Nailed everything.

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Rozner has lots of original thoughts. I am not sure if that comes across clearly on the radio, but he has real opinions in his column.

My problem with Rozner is that he is unwilling to bend on his guys. Of course there is the endless Sandberg and Maddux love, while way over the top, it is well deserved. Then there is the 100% hate of Lovie Smith never once giving the guy credit for anything more than being lucky. He constantly attacks the Bears no matter what they do. Lots of it is justified, but it is indiscriminate. He defends Tiger non-stop even through the entire sex scandal and ever confident he would break Jack's record. My point: his guys can do no wrong and those that aren't his guys can do no right.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Except that up to this point with the Cubs, they have built the minor league system into something that is top notch. Maybe all these prospects will fail, but all the experts agree that the Cubs are stocked with quality talent. I don't know enough about the Boston situation to comment on that. I am simply looking at their plan with the Cubs and how it is unfolding.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Im sorry you dont GET the love for a dominant closer who was dominant through the World Series, but it still counts

As do Lester and Bucholz who both played major roles on two World Series winners.


So, that pretty much blows up that nonsense. I know you hate the Cubs, but you're better than this.



You're right about the spotty free agent record.

Wrong again about the Marlins. That trade still counts and it led to a WS. (although that was Jed's move. Theo was gone)


Ok, so to sum up. Theo gets no credit for the two WS he won and you think two guys regressing for one year negates Two World Series.





Soft? Entitled? Whiny?

Sounds like a personal thing


This whole post is absolutely dismissed. Come back with your actual thoughts because I know you know the game.

And it's possible that Boston, at the time, didn't give too much mind to their farm system due to being willing to buy people as well as having the aforementioned needle-in-the-ass veterans ... at least most teams don't usually stay up night worrying about both to the same degree.

That's not to outright decry the criticism levied by RR; just that it might not be entirely accurate without considering the context of both teams as well as the corresponding timeframes ... it's also possible that Theo has a talent or two (so to speak) he didn't have (or need) back then.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George