It is currently Fri Nov 15, 2024 6:56 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:02 pm
Posts: 11735
pizza_Place: Angelo's Pizza in Downers Grove
This is a turd pick. I think Wilken may be drafting again. No one had this guy in the 2nd.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57199
Big Chicagoan wrote:
This is a turd pick. I think Wilken may be drafting again. No one had this guy in the 2nd.

Wrong.

Baseball America had him listed as a guy taken in the top 3 rounds.

The analysts on MLB network said he was taken right where he should go and he had been a riser on a lot of draft boards even getting a look by some at the end of the 1st round.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
2nd rounders under Jedstein = bust. Add him to the list.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:20 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
A Senior college pitcher in the second round after a first round pick that many didn't have in the top 10 and some in the top 20. Let's call that "interesting".


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:23 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72378
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
RFDC loves the 2nd draft pick of the Cubs. This is indeed a shocking MLB draft night here on the CSFMB.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57199
FavreFan wrote:
RFDC loves the 2nd draft pick of the Cubs. This is indeed a shocking MLB draft night here on the CSFMB.

The only draft pick for a chicago team that I have said I loved was Rodon to the Sox.

Nice try though.

I do not know enough about Stinnett to have an opinion. But to say he wasn't predicted as a possible 2nd round pick is just wrong.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Let's be honest...no one on this board can possibly have any intelligent, original thoughts on any picks taken second round or later.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
immessedup17 wrote:
Let's be honest...no one on this board can possibly have any intelligent, original thoughts on any picks taken second round or later.

A certain resident dumbass will try.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:42 pm
Posts: 1631
Location: Hinsdale
pizza_Place: Lugi's of Hong Kong
:lol:

Somebody knows a lot about scouting.......
Image

_________________
Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:52 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 31, 1969 7:00 pm
Posts: 40983
Location: Chicago
pizza_Place: Lou Malanati's
Jed and Theo are probably looking for the most untalented players.

_________________
"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:53 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
They're doing a bang up job of that so far.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
sucks...another major reach because of lack of money

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:38 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79461
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
good dolphin wrote:
sucks...another major reach because of lack of money


I was out with two hardcore Cub fans last night and as soon as the second pick was made that's exactly what both of them said.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
sucks...another major reach because of lack of money


I was out with two hardcore Cub fans last night and as soon as the second pick was made that's exactly what both of them said.

How are the Cubs able to offer Tanaka 120 million but not 2 million to a draft pick? Did so much change from last year when they gave $2.8 million and $1.7 million to two 16 year olds? Is everything on the South Side declared over not even 1/3 of the way. I mean there are like 38 more rounds to go but I would just like some enlightenment here. A lot of draft experts on the South Side and I'd welcome them to share their great insight.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:42 pm
Posts: 1631
Location: Hinsdale
pizza_Place: Lugi's of Hong Kong
For the resident scouting expert and people that have dumb friends.
Image

This is relatively old hat by now, having been in place for a couple years, but each team has an allotted draft bonus pool they can't exceed without penalty. The budget for each team is comprised of the combination of dollar value assignments to each of their picks throughout the first 10 rounds of the draft. The first pick in the draft is worth the most, and the values descend in order from there.

The pick values aren't a hard cap, though, and a team can exceed the slot assignment for one player if they in turn pay under the slot amount for another pick. An example would be the Cubs selecting Rob Zastryzny in the second round of the 2013 draft, and signing him for $1.1 million despite the draft slot being worth $1.3972 million. They followed that up with the selection of Jacob Hannemann, signing him for $1 million, though the slot value was only $736,200. They were able to underpay Zastryzny and apply most of those savings towards their overpayment of Hannemann.

While the Cubs chose to underpay Zastryzny a relatively small amount, many teams opt for the more brazen strategy of drafting college seniors -- players with little negotiating leverage -- and paying them meager amounts relative to the slot assignment.*

*To that end -- any high school player selected may opt not to sign, but will be unable to enter the draft again until after their junior season if they attend a four-year college. Those who attend junior colleges are eligible to re-enter the draft after only one year. Players can be deemed sophomore-eligible if they are, or turn, 21 years old within 40 days of the draft date.

Teams are allowed to go over their total bonus pool allotment, but even going over by small amounts incur harsh penalties. If a team exceeds their budget by between 0-5 percent, they are taxed 75 percent on the amount they went over. If they exceed the budget by 5-10 percent, they suffer the same penalty as 0-5 percent plus they lose their first-round selection in the following draft. Going over by 10-15 percent incurs a 100 percent tax on the overage, plus the loss of first- and second-round picks in the following draft. Anything over 15 percent results in the team paying a 100 percent tax on the overage and the loss of their first-round selection for the next two drafts.

Beyond the first 10 rounds, any signing bonus that surpasses $100,000 goes towards the cap in place for the first 10 rounds. As a hypothetical, if a team signs an 11th round pick for $200,000, $100,000 of that bonus goes towards the allotted budget for the first 10 rounds.

A team cannot simply select a player and choose not to sign them, and then use the money slotted for that pick towards another player. For any unsigned player, the team loses the money associated with that slot from their overall budget. This gives any player who can re-enter the draft in future years additional leverage, as teams count on the ability to use their entire budget.

_________________
Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:06 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79461
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
sucks...another major reach because of lack of money


I was out with two hardcore Cub fans last night and as soon as the second pick was made that's exactly what both of them said.

How are the Cubs able to offer Tanaka 120 million but not 2 million to a draft pick? Did so much change from last year when they gave $2.8 million and $1.7 million to two 16 year olds? Is everything on the South Side declared over not even 1/3 of the way. I mean there are like 38 more rounds to go but I would just like some enlightenment here. A lot of draft experts on the South Side and I'd welcome them to share their great insight.


I don't know, but the question I asked these guys was if they believed the Cubs wouldn't spend their entire allotment. I have to think they will, so it seems they are trying to spread the money out. Maybe they thought they could get Flaherty in the second round and the Cardinals grabbed him first.

I remember when the Cubs first hired Hoyer and there was a big article on him that talked about how one of his biggest credentials was winning one of the toughest fantasy leagues on the East coast when he was 14 years old. One of the big things in fantasy baseball is for guys to feel smart by taking players nobody else would consider. It seems kind of silly to think that could be the case with a guy running a big league draft, but we've seen a lot of silly stuff over the years.

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:18 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:42 pm
Posts: 1631
Location: Hinsdale
pizza_Place: Lugi's of Hong Kong
Image

_________________
Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:20 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 79461
Location: Ravenswood Manor
pizza_Place: Pete's
8675309 wrote:
Image


Are you feeling frustrated because your team drafted players everyone in the universe considers odd? I am interested to hear the thoughts of THE INQUISITOR. Were these genius picks that only TheoandJed knew about?

_________________
Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:26 pm
Posts: 31155
Location: West Side
pizza_Place: Paisan's in Cicero
I hope he's better than his father Kelly.

_________________
Seacrest wrote:
I rarely troll.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Quote:
Stinnett’s stuff has continued to trend upward this spring, as he threw a no-hitter in February, dominated a head-to-head matchup in March with Carlos Rodon and North Carolina State, and has reached 97 mph with his fastball, which usually sits 92-95 with above-average life. He gets extension in his delivery and has a pitcher’s frame at 6-foot-4, 215 pounds. His hard 78-83 mph slider is his preferred second pitch, with a too-firm, little-used changeup also in his repertoire. Stinnett is a senior but also a legitimate top-three rounds talent with something left in the tank due to his relative inexperience as a pitcher.

So the Cubs got a pitcher better than Rodon with their 2nd round pick. That's how you draft boys and girls. 8)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:33 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
I think it's great that they got the oldest person in the draft who is inexperienced.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 82152
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
sucks...another major reach because of lack of money


I was out with two hardcore Cub fans last night and as soon as the second pick was made that's exactly what both of them said.

How are the Cubs able to offer Tanaka 120 million but not 2 million to a draft pick? Did so much change from last year when they gave $2.8 million and $1.7 million to two 16 year olds? Is everything on the South Side declared over not even 1/3 of the way. I mean there are like 38 more rounds to go but I would just like some enlightenment here. A lot of draft experts on the South Side and I'd welcome them to share their great insight.


the trick to winning a draft is to get the best player not the largest collection of average ones

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 91931
Location: To the left of my post
I can't help but read the thread title as "RIP / Jack Stinnett - Sr, Maryland". The Chicago Cubs text directly below it doesn't help with that either.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 23754
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
So the Sox drafted a guy with a losing record this year and the Cubs drafted a guy with a winning record who also beat the Sox draft pick head to head. You guys enjoy losing pitcher Soxmarzdjia while us Cub fans can look forward to winning workhorse pitcher Jakolo Colon.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:38 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:15 pm
Posts: 16923
Stinnett pitches on ESPN2 this morning at 11am.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:29 pm
Posts: 34795
pizza_Place: Al's Pizza
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I can't help but read the thread title as "RIP / Jack Stinnett - Sr, Maryland".


I did too. :lol:

_________________
Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

<º)))><

Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:29 pm
Posts: 38674
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
And doesn't pitch well . 115 pitches and couldn't get thru 5. Average stuff if you ask me. Fastball 88 to 92, decent breaking pitch. 2nd rounder huh? :?: :|

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 24 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group