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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:38 am 
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2011
-Chicago Cubs traded 2B DJ LeMahieu and RF Tyler Colvin to Colorado Rockies for RHP Casey Weathers and 3B Ian Stewart.
-Chicago Cubs Traded LHP Sean Marshall to Cincinnati Reds; Cincinnati Reds Traded LHP Travis Wood and CF Dave Sappelt to Chicago Cubs and Dayton Dragons Traded 2B Ronald Torreyes to Peoria Chiefs.

2012
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Carlos Zambrano to Miami Marlins for RHP Chris Volstad.
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Andrew Cashner and LF Kyung-Min Na to San Diego Padres for 1B Anthony Rizzo and RHP Zach Cates.
-Chicago Cubs traded CF Marlon Byrd to Boston Red Sox for RHP Michael Bowden.
-Cincinnati Reds traded C Koyie Hill to Chicago Cubs.
-Chicago Cubs traded LHP Paul Maholm and LF Reed Johnson to Atlanta Braves for RHP Arodys Vizcaino and RHP Jaye Chapman.
-Chicago Cubs traded C Geovany Soto to Texas Rangers for RHP Jake Brigham.
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Ryan Dempster to Texas Rangers for RHP Kyle Hendricks and 3B Christian Villanueva.

2013
-Chicago Cubs traded CF Tony Campana to Arizona Diamondbacks for RHP Jesus Castillo and RHP Erick Leal.
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Scott Feldman and C Steve Clevenger to Baltimore Orioles for RHP Jake Arrieta and RHP Pedro Strop.
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Carlos Marmol to Los Angeles Dodgers for RHP Matt Guerrier.
-Chicago Cubs traded 2B Ronald Torreyes to Houston Astros.
-Chicago Cubs traded LF Scott Hairston to Washington Nationals for RHP Ivan Pineyro.
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Matt Garza to Texas Rangers for RHP C.J. Edwards, RHP Justin Grimm, 1B Mike Olt and Neil Ramirez.
-Chicago Cubs traded cash and LF Alfonso Soriano to New York Yankees for RHP Corey Black.
-Chicago Cubs traded CF David DeJesus to Washington Nationals for PTBNL.
Chicago Cubs traded LF Brian Bogusevic to Miami Marlins for RF Justin Ruggiano.


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The only trade in that entire list I would say was unequivocally good for the Cubs is Feldman for Arrieta and Strop. They got a bunch of players in the Garza deal and that will probably turn out well or maybe even better than that for them.

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-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Scott Feldman and C Steve Clevenger to Baltimore Orioles for RHP Jake Arrieta and RHP Pedro Strop.

This his the best trade by far. Most of the others are indeterminate at this point.

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The one trade that had me wavering on my undefeated declaration was Tony Campana to AZ. I still can't believe why he isn't a Cub anymore!!!!


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-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Scott Feldman and C Steve Clevenger to Baltimore Orioles for RHP Jake Arrieta and RHP Pedro Strop.

This his the best trade by far. Most of the others are indeterminate at this point.


wait a year on that before making the declaration

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Marshall for Wood is one of my favorites. Didn't like it at the time, but turned out to be a great one.


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It wouldn't surprise me if every other MLB GM gets together and decides that trading with Theo is a big mistake and should be avoided at all costs.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if every other MLB GM gets together and decides that trading with Theo is a big mistake and should be avoided at all costs.


Is this some sort of bait I'm misunderstanding?


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Bucky Chris wrote:
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It wouldn't surprise me if every other MLB GM gets together and decides that trading with Theo is a big mistake and should be avoided at all costs.


Is this some sort of bait I'm misunderstanding?
I don't know what that question even means.

Are you asking if you don't understand something? I'll go with yes.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if every other MLB GM gets together and decides that trading with Theo is a big mistake and should be avoided at all costs.
I agree. Its not every day you can acquire a talent like Geo Soto and only give up a guy like Jake Brigham.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
-Chicago Cubs traded RHP Scott Feldman and C Steve Clevenger to Baltimore Orioles for RHP Jake Arrieta and RHP Pedro Strop.

This his the best trade by far. Most of the others are indeterminate at this point.


NO. He got rid of the heart and soul of the team. Steven Scott Clevenger.

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Cashner for Rizzo looks pretty even.

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bigfan thinks Andrew Cashner has been FAR SUPERIOR to Chris Sale

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Cashner for Rizzo looks pretty even.

Cashner is greatly aided by Petco. His home/road split is no good.


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Cashner for Rizzo looks pretty even.

Cashner is greatly aided by Petco. His home/road split is no good.

Also his Healthy/DL split is terrible

The Rizzo trade is a winner

The best one is Travis Wood who was gotten for one year of Sean Marshall


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Since the trade Cashner has made 43 starts in 3 years to the tune of a 15-19 record. A decent 3.08 era but in Petco


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a couple of good trades....and some were addition by subtraction (i.e Marmol). Most were "our" crap for "your" crap.

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Since the trade Cashner has made 43 starts in 3 years to the tune of a 15-19 record. A decent 3.08 era but in Petco


which is at least commensurate with Rizzo's production over that time...at best, this is a tie

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dude's done a decent job IMO. picks up random pitchers and they turn out great. not sure what the hell he was thinking with EJax though.

Rizzo'll have a career WAR 5x that of cashner.

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picks up random pitchers and they turn out great.
But when the Sox do that, its because they are cheap.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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picks up random pitchers and they turn out great.
But when the Sox do that, its because they are cheap.


you gonna compare hammels to paulino? Feldstein/arrieta to mikel cleto? no no no don't crap me now.

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Since the trade Cashner has made 43 starts in 3 years to the tune of a 15-19 record. A decent 3.08 era but in Petco


which is at least commensurate with Rizzo's production over that time...at best, this is a tie

A part time losing pitcher is as good as a Left handed power hitting first baseman. I disagree.

And WAR agrees with me.


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Hatchetman wrote:
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picks up random pitchers and they turn out great.
But when the Sox do that, its because they are cheap.


you gonna compare hammels to paulino? Feldstein/arrieta to mikel cleto? no no no don't crap me now.
No, but its happened in the past.

Quintana and Travis Wood were essentially another team's junk that the Sox and Cubs took a chance on. Sox got some good out of Humber. It even goes as far back as Contreras, Gavin Floyd, Carlos Quinten. My point always is that this happens across MLB, its not exclusive to the Sox as much as some Cubs fans would like you to believe.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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picks up random pitchers and they turn out great.
But when the Sox do that, its because they are cheap.


you gonna compare hammels to paulino? Feldstein/arrieta to mikel cleto? no no no don't crap me now.
No, but its happened in the past.

Quintana and Travis Wood were essentially another team's junk that the Sox and Cubs took a chance on. Sox got some good out of Humber. It even goes as far back as Contreras, Gavin Floyd, Carlos Quinten. My point always is that this happens across MLB, its not exclusive to the Sox as much as some Cubs fans would like you to believe.

Cub fans are saying what? That the White Sox are the only one's to sign #5 pitchers?


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Nothing to really complain about with the trading record. The draft has been okay. It's his big time free agent signing record that has always been his downfall.

Maybe that is why he is trying to avoid paying big money in free agency --- he knows he will choke.


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Nothing to really complain about with the trading record. The draft has been okay. It's his big time free agent signing record that has always been his downfall.

Maybe that is why he is trying to avoid paying big money in free agency --- he knows he will choke.

Its not like he's been terrible in free agency. There have been as many good moves as bad ones.


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Nothing to really complain about with the trading record. The draft has been okay. It's his big time free agent signing record that has always been his downfall.

Maybe that is why he is trying to avoid paying big money in free agency --- he knows he will choke.

Its not like he's been terrible in free agency. There have been as many good moves as bad ones.


When you shell out big bucks, 50% isn't good enough.


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Nothing to really complain about with the trading record. The draft has been okay. It's his big time free agent signing record that has always been his downfall.

Maybe that is why he is trying to avoid paying big money in free agency --- he knows he will choke.

Its not like he's been terrible in free agency. There have been as many good moves as bad ones.


When you shell out big bucks, 50% isn't good enough.

Agree. But its certainly not bad enough to be gun shy.


Where does Lackey fall? Bad? Or Barry Zito for the Giants? Does a WS cure all?


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Or Barry Zito for the Giants? Does a WS cure all?
Two of them does, and one certainly helps.

For the Cubs, I would say that even a World Series appearance would go quite a long way.

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Or Barry Zito for the Giants? Does a WS cure all?
Two of them does, and one certainly helps.

It's an interesting question I think. And one I cant speak to as a Cub fan.

But I think if the Cubs would have won in 07 or 08 no one would care about Soriano's bloated deal.

Zito's deal was AWFUL for years and then he got hot and was a big part of a WS win.

Similar with Lackey and Red Sox


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