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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:51 am 
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Its to the point now where you just have to laugh. Eloy will probably tear an ACL or snap an ankle on something goofy like a him diving back to the bag on a pickoff throw.

Nothing short of the Sox moving to VEGGAS$? will make me jump ship as a fan theirs, but this last decade hasn't been much fun.

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Hansen had forearm problems last year and after that he just had pitching problems.



Both will have Tommy John surgery.


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Hansen had forearm problems last year and after that he just had pitching problems.



Both will have Tommy John surgery.


Get it out of the way then. More frustrating than Sox injuries is the delaying in making the surgery calls.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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This is the 3rd player in 2 years. My question is, what is going on with their handling of the pitchers?


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This is the 3rd player in 2 years. My question is, what is going on with their handling of the pitchers?


Isn't Tommy John surgery a pretty common thing now?

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No one's having Tommy John.


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Fuck. Annoyed all over again.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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I don't have the strength to read it.

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Well written and spot on, you could have pieced together a couple hundred posts from this board and wrote that.

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It doesn't even matter if fans revolt and don't show up because they have such low costs thanks to their stadium deal. It's a cash machine with some side baseball entertainment on the side.


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It doesn't even matter if fans revolt and don't show up because they have such low costs thanks to their stadium deal. It's a cash machine with some side baseball entertainment on the side.


Reinsdorf makes money when the fans DON'T show.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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GLENDALE, Ariz. — White Sox outfield prospect Luis Robert jammed his left thumb making a head first slide during an intrasquad game Saturday. Manager Rick Renteria called it minor and said Robert is expected back Thursday.

It’s the same thumb Robert injured more seriously last spring, making a feet-first slide at second base.

Robert ran on his own, “a lapse on his judgement,” Renteria said.

“Fortunately for us, it was jammed a little and he’s doing good. We’re just going to be a little cautious.”

Robert will swing in the batting cages on Wednesday’s off day and be back “promptly,” Renteria said.

Training staff has equipped Robert with an insert to protect the thumb when he’s fielding. And Renteria said Robert has been talked to about not sliding head first.

In his most recent Cactus League game Friday against the Rangers in Surprise, Robert tripled off the wall in center field and hit a go-ahead home run to left.

Robert, the White Sox’ No. 4 prospect per Baseball America and MLB Pipeline, has been slowed by injuries since the Sox signed him to a $26 million bonus in 2017.

A sprained ligament in his left thumb limited Robert to 50 games in 2018 between the Arizona League and both levels of Class A. He opened the 2018 season on the disabled list with a sprained ligament in his left thumb, appeared in 13 games when he came off and reinjured the thumb July 3.

Because of missed time, Robert played in the Arizona Fall League in November, where he batted .324 with two homers and two doubles, 10 RBI and 19 runs scored. But Robert was limited there, too, by a tight hamstring.

Robert was plagued by knee (left meniscus) and ankle problems in 2017.

Robert joins right-hander Dane Dunning (forearm soreness) and outfielder Luis Basebe (broken hamate bone) among top Sox prospects stalled by injuries this spring.
Other than getting hit with a throw from the catcher, how in the world do you manage to injure your hand on a feet first slide? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The quote “when the time is right, money will not stand in the way of the White Sox acquiring premium talent.” is fake.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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Terry's Peeps wrote:


I don't have the strength to read it.

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The last two weeks have been a real gut punch for us. It’s been the culmination of two years of rhetoric that we were told would be the signaling of a contention window opening. While that may still happen, we were ultimately sold a bill of goods that ended up plain and simply being a lie.

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In the end, we enter the 2019 season in the same position as we were when the 2018 season ended. Reliant on internal improvement that may or may not come, and unproven prospects. Ultimately, we know with a high level of certainty it will end with a seventh consecutive losing season and an eleventh season without meaningful baseball at 35th and Shields.

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We were also assured that when the time was right, this organization would allocate financial resources to the free agent market that had never been done before. For over two years, we heard Rick Hahn and Kenny Williams repeat the line that “when the time is right, money will not stand in the way of the White Sox acquiring premium talent.”

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There will never be a better opportunity for the Sox to break through. And they blew it! They blew it because at the end of the day, the White Sox, as has been the problem for most of their history, have an owner that wants to win at his desired profit margin. For all the talk about Jerry Reinsdorf’s loyalty and good nature, he sure doesn’t have any loyalty to the small group of people that truly give a damn about this team.

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The fact is the Sox offer was not more attractive than the Padres. The Padres were willing to commit $300 million with an opt-out while the Sox were only willing to go to $250 million guaranteed and two vesting options that carried the value over $320 million. The fact of the matter is, that offer simply is not better than what San Diego presented. As someone who works in a profession where a great deal of my income is based on performance incentives, I can tell you that when looking for employment, 9 times out of 10 people in my profession will take the higher guarantee. Baseball players are no different and shouldn’t be looked at or expected to think differently. That’s why it is so insulting to hear people defending this offer.

In the last few days, we’ve heard Kenny Williams go out on the “offensive” in the media saying that he believes it’s sad that the White Sox are “perceived” as being cheap. Hey Kenny, it’s not perception when it’s the truth. When you are in the third largest market in the country and have never given out a contract larger than $68 million, you are cheap. When your owner refused for years to spend in the draft causing you to have a bottom tier farm system, you are cheap. When you have an owner that refused to spend money internationally to boost your prospect pipeline, you are cheap. When your owner refuses to take on larger contracts in trade discussions because you don’t have a prospect pipeline to get a deal done, you are cheap. So what’s really sad is people trying to defend this organization, and more specifically, the guy at the top who is, yes, very cheap.

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Hahn through his diplomatic and articulate messaging was able to be the lone member of this “brain trust” that seemingly had public support. Well, that is all gone now. Because Hahn was either in on the lie, or conned himself. I’m not sure which is actually worse in this instance.


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At the end of the day, the last two weeks have confirmed what many of us have long feared. Nothing will change with the White Sox organization, until Jerry Reinsdorf’s reign of terror is over.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The "more attractive offer" or "better offer" is no longer an academic debate. There was only one person who was the arbiter of attractive and he decided that the Sox, in fact, did not have a more attractive offer.

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The White Sox without question had the most "White Sox" offer.

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I think Reinsdorf needs to recommission that survey from about 20 years ago that conclusively determined that he was not the problem with the organization

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I think Reinsdorf needs to recommission that survey from about 20 years ago that conclusively determined that he was not the problem with the organization


:lol:

This fucking organization.

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The quote “when the time is right, money will not stand in the way of the White Sox acquiring premium talent.” is fake.


That, unfortunately, is the absolute truth of it all.

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The quote “when the time is right, money will not stand in the way of the White Sox acquiring premium talent.” is fake.


That, unfortunately, is the absolute truth of it all.

I scoured the internet looking for that quote or something similar. Couldn't find it. I also don't recollect such a declaration. I heard and read things about filling in holes when needed or when the opportunity presents itself, but never about money being no object.


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"I can certainly assure you the resources will be available,” Hahn said when asked if money will be available for big-time free agents moving forward. “Will we be able to convert on every target? No, not always in a robust and competitive market. I get that question a lot. I get it. That would seem to break with our past practice to be aggressive and add at the top of the market. I do think over the last 18 months, we have dispelled myths about this organization and how we do business.”

“Ultimately, competing for free agents and targeting big-ticket items and hopefully converting on them will be the next logical step when the time is right,” Hahn said. “Anyone who doubts that we will break from past perception or past process, I believe the evidence is there over the last year that those old standards are gone.”


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I was wrong.

Hahn certainly assured us.


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I was wrong.

Hahn certainly assured us.
Perhaps Hahn was lied to as well.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018-19 Off Season
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The "more attractive offer" or "better offer" is no longer an academic debate. There was only one person who was the arbiter of attractive and he decided that the Sox, in fact, did not have a more attractive offer.


Money, of course, is the biggest reason why players sign with a team when they are free agents. But then, you probably have soe guys who want to have a decent chance to win a championship. Clearly, to me, it was purely money with Harper and Machado or they would have gone to different teams. especially Machado. The Phillies do have a chance, I guess, to win with Harper but I don't think that they are anykind of elite team and the Padres are going to still be a weak team with Machado.

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