Today's lament about poor Jose Quintana and his lack of run support came from none other than my guy Kap. Can't it just be that some guys just pitch well enough to lose?

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Quintana would be the 1 outlier on run support. Over his last 15 losses (including yesterday), the Sox have scored 0 or 1 run 12 times. 2 runs twice, and 3 runs once. That is pretty insane.

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Completely agree. I know it may kill JORR but I think he would agree too. Quintana is a great pitcher. Arguably the 3rd best pitcher in Chicago.

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I don't agree that Quintana is "great". He runs up against a better guy most of the time.

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Kap neglected to mention that.

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Kap neglected to mention that.

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What would you call him? Unlucky? The Sox have scored a total of 8 runs in his 5 losses. This has pretty much been the story of his career. Give him 3 or 4 runs most outings and he's almost a lock for a W. He's only given up more than 4 runs 14 times in 133 starts. He's given up 2 runs or fewer in 80 of those 133 starts. IMO those numbers tell me he's a great pitcher that plays for a team that can't score runs.

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Sox fans...would you take all of the Cubs 5 starters over Quintana?

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He would kill for a team that could score runs.

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Just like the Sox to make Matt Harvey "greater" again...

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That isn't really true though. Give him 4 runs and he often allows five. I'd say he's a guy who makes bad pitches in high-leverage situations. Sure, sometimes he's been unlucky, but I find it more logical to believe there is a problem with him than that he is being followed by some black cloud. Harvey didn't get "run support" either. He pitched his balls off until he did.

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JORR he's given up more than 4 runs 14 times in his career but has given up 2 runs or fewer 80 times. I think that means he's going to give up 2 runs or fewer in 60% of his starts and 4 runs or less in 90% of his starts. That means he's going to suck 10% of the time. I'll take that. He's a great pitcher.

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I'd like to see him pitch for a powerhouse like the Cubs, knowing he was going to get 5-10 runs evey time out. would his ERA go to 5.00 or would his wins go to 20?

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His ERA has been fairly consistent his entire career. He would probably have a high 2 ERA in the NL

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But the guy(s) he is facing are giving up 2 or fewer even more often. Doesn't such suggest to you that perhaps conditions just somehow exist for low-scoring in said games?

He's not a great pitcher. There has never been a great starting pitcher with a losing record. Walter Johnson was a great pitcher. He pitched on many, many teams that were worse offensively than Quintana's teams, yet he won 400-some games with a .600 winning percentage.

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Seriously, which do you find more likely?

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Quintana is not a great pitcher by any stretch .

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My question was just skipped over. Interesting development.

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No. I would take Arrieta and Lester for sure though. And I'm certain Quintana, as great as Nas claims him to be, will never have a career anywhere close to the journeyman John Lackey.

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The Sox offense sucks usually. Don't be stubborn. You would blindly take any pitcher that will give up 2 runs or less in 60% of their starts and 4 runs or less in 90%. He hasn't won a game this season when he's given up more than 1 fucking run. He's 5-1 in games he's given up 1 run or less. Imagine going out there every 5th day knowing that if you give up 2 runs you will probably lose?

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It's not like the Sox are the worse offensive team in every game Quintana pitches. In fact, in the vast majority of his starts the average runs per game difference between the Sox and the opposing team is a fraction of a run. If you're telling me a pitcher is GREAT, shouldn't he be able to pitch over a third of a run?

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you know some guys are just unlucky. there is one guy in 500 that will be terribly unlucky. maybe he's the guy.

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Nobody has ever been "unlucky" for five straight seasons.

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I dunno. what's his winning % compared to Sox as a whole

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He's given up 12 runs in 5 losses and 3 runs in 5 wins.

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That's why Frank called him an outlier. He rarely gives up a lot of runs but only seems to win when he gives up 0.

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In the past 2 seasons Quintana has given up 1 run or less in 15 games but he's only won 10 of them.

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Because he usually makes a bad pitch in the highest leverage situation. That's something truly great pitchers like Kershaw and Bumgarner don't do, and on the rare occasions they do, their stuff is overwhelming so they can get away with it more often than someone like Quintana.

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