But people want Hahn fired. You’re ignoring that for some reason. Kenny is the guy who said he has final say. You’re siding with an anonymous scout calling the guy a liar.

I’d also stand by the quote on draft picks during Hahn’s GM tenure v. Williams’ GM tenure.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

You yourself credited Hahn with making the decisions until the decisions bombed on him and then you reversed field.
And Hahn says that this is on him. I'm just wondering why that is so difficult for EVERYONE to believe?

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

I don't think anyone outside the front office knows who is exercising power and when. I've heard Kimbrel was a Kenny move. Who knows if that's true? Maybe it's like you say and it's just excuse making for Hahn. One thing for sure though, it seemed pretty obvious at that press conference that LaRussa wasn't Hahn's idea.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I said draft picks during hahn’s tenure are better than during Williams’ tenure. That’s true. I also believe Hahn should be fired because he’s failed to build around guys like TA.

Do you believe Kenny when he said he has final say?

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

But by stating that draft picks were better under Hahn you also are admitting that he was the person responsible for those picks. And the best player that either ever drafted was still drafted by Kenny Williams.
And I don't think that Kenny Williams is selecting the players. I do think that he has "final say" over how much money is allocated for team payroll though.

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

So you believe the TLR was Kenny and/or Jerry's call, but we shouldn't blame them. Do you eve realize how silly that sounds?

Firing Hahn is a start. If thats the only move made, nothing will change. There are AT LEAST three other guys that must get canned as well. You arent a Sox fan so you have no idea who those guys are and why they should be fired. You're just here to argue.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

I don't think anyone outside the front office knows who is exercising power and when. I've heard Kimbrel was a Kenny move. Who knows if that's true? Maybe it's like you say and it's just excuse making for Hahn. One thing for sure though, it seemed pretty obvious at that press conference that LaRussa wasn't Hahn's idea.

I’m happy to say Williams is ultimately responsible for signing off on the draft picks chosen during hahn’s tenure. That’s not in conflict with my earlier statement. Yes, Sale is the best of the group. Gio has had a nice career too.

I don’t buy for a second Kenny decides payroll. That’s pure Jerry.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

It appears that all good decisions must be due to Kenny's allegedly superior decision making and all bad decisions are because Hahn is an idiot.

Except that Kenny keeps Hahn around.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

Caller Bob (A Cubs Fan)knows more about the White Sox than you do. To REAL SOX FANS that is considered blasphemous!

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

You refuted nothing that I have said here in the past 4 days.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It does.

This is the same shit the Bulls try to pull and it's a shame you are falling for it. Two chiefs in charge and they can just take turns blaming eachother as year after year the team sucks.

Not really, but thats fine if you don't understand it. If you can't see that Kenny almost always traded away young guys for a veteran piece, and now Hahn is acquiring young talent then I can't help you.

Don't let me get in the way of your blind optimism. Cheerlead as much as you want. But you might want to drop the "you don't understand it" angle. I understand perfectly what they are doing. I'm just not applauding Hahn before he's done any real work. The rest of you are.

Given everything the Sox have done over the last ~8 months, Hahn deserves kudos. If the Sox continue to suck for the next 4-5 years, he will deserve and likely get a lot of negative press.

There is clearly a different philosophy in the way of doing things now with the Sox front office. Its basically the complete opposite of what Kenny Williams did for the better part of 11 years. Given that and what Kenny himself has publically said, it leads me to believe that Hahn was NOT 100% in charge of the roster regardless of what his title was.

With what you have said in this thread, its pretty clear that you either do not understand that, or you are willfully ignoring things which would make BRick's comments about creating your own agenda correct.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

Whats your point? People arent allowed to change their opinions of a coach/player/manager/executive based on performance? You can feel that way if you want. Its wrong and stupid, but if thats your thing cool.

You know nothing about nothing and know even less about the Sox but here you are spamming this section like a jackass too.

5 days ago I posted Hahn should be fired. So there.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

He will, if Kenny isnt still calling the shots.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

I spoke for myself this morning.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

That's why I provided the caveat " by way of Jerry". Kenny obviously doesn't set payroll amount and I don't think he selects the players either. And neither did the team scout. And I also don't think tanking was Kenny's idea either.

And what does "signing off" actually mean? Signing off is simply another way of allowing the guy to pick his own players. They still are no less his (Hahn's) players

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

So what does Kenny actually do?

According to Kenny, he has to approve whatever Hahn wants to do. If he’s not onboard with this roster but went along anyway, that’s reason enough to fire him.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

Incessantly "yelling" in the White Sox section day after day and year after year doesn't mean rhat you know much of shit. You're the loudest voice in the room. Hardly makes you the smartest or most astute.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

You know who hasn't been able to pick a fight in the politics section for a week or so. So he's picking fights here. You guys shouldn't fall for it.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It was obvious that wasn't his hire. What gets lost is the guy he wanted to hire and the guy he ultimately hired suck. TLR was easily the best of the three.

So what is Hahn actually "responsible" for in your opinion?

Hate to tell ya this "Amigo", but that is sort of the essence of how life works.

The legwork that goes into forming a roster.

What do you think Kenny does?

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.

OK by "legwork" you mean picks the players. I agree. That's why this disaster is on him.

I think Kenny Williams approves contracts i.e. approves whether the player id'd by Hahn is worth the asking price and fits into the budget. That's pretty much it.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Nobody is saying Hahn is free from blame.

Oh, he only says who the Sox can and can't afford, who the Sox should or shouldn't sign, and has to approve the guys Hahn wants on the roster. That's pretty much it, which is pretty much everything.

This is exactly why Kenny shares blame and should lose his job as well.

4+ pages of nonsense for you to agree with what we all have been telling for you for days now. I guess now you understand. Better late than never I suppose.

Looks like your comprehension didn't improve overnight.

Technically I was drunk (big surprise) and asked her if she liked a tongue up her ass.

Again, your comprehension needs work.