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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:23 pm 
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At some point Bryan has to realize he doesn't have the baseball chops to keep up with BRick in these debates.

Rick barely follows baseball (his own words) and it shows in these types of discussions.

The inverse happens when we discuss NCAA football or basketball

You wouldn't want that much Purdue information anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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At some point Bryan has to realize he doesn't have the baseball chops to keep up with BRick in these debates.

Rick barely follows baseball (his own words) and it shows in these types of discussions.

The inverse happens when we discuss NCAA football or basketball
There it is! :lol:

Hey look, Rick is a baseball dummy!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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I am interested to see how Rick Hahn goes about this off season. He did a great job last year, which didn't yield results because of all the legacy crap like Dunn. He made many solid moves.

He had a very good off season but for some reason he thought his job was done on Opening Day. He did nothing in season to improve a horrible back of the rotation and putrid bullpen besides rape the waiver wire for other teams cast offs. Hahn has to show he can build a bullpen and that he has the balls to make in season moves to improve the team.


Unless you wanted to trade talent, there was not much he could do. There were too many injuries and/or poor performances. It was a dead year no matter what with Flowers, Dunn. Tank, Konerko, etc taking up roster space.

A lot of that was his doing (not Dunn of course). That's why I said he needs to have the balls to correct his mistakes in season. Also, I don't believe in dead years.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Because they offered him 3 for 15 and he took it, you would be a bad negotiator Kirkwood.

BRick doesn't care if it's a bad or good deal. He just cares the Sox are spending.
I guess Cubs fans also make things up to suit their argument!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:26 pm 
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My point, quite simply, is that you are acting like spending for spending's sake is a good idea.

Its not. Its a bad idea
My point is painfully obvious. You can't expect to win if you have a low payroll. Now, you may end up doing it but it makes things much harder.

It just doesn't work that way. You dont just spend a bunch of money for spending's sake and get a lot better. You make smart moves.

Im saying to make smart shrewd moves and somehow you are arguing against that point.


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It most certainly matters. You have a better chance of winning with a high payroll

No, the ranking does not matter. The team that spends the smartest has the best chance.


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Stop changing what I am saying please.

I dont think you know what you're saying.

You're setting arbitrary payroll goals without giving thought to need. That's insane in any business including MLB


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:27 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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At some point Bryan has to realize he doesn't have the baseball chops to keep up with BRick in these debates.

Rick barely follows baseball (his own words) and it shows in these types of discussions.

The inverse happens when we discuss NCAA football or basketball
There it is! :lol:

Hey look, Rick is a baseball dummy!

You barely follow baseball. You've admitted this several times. Why is it a problem when I restate what you've said?

You follow baseball about as much as I follow NCAA football and similarly I come off less knowledgable in those discussions.

But I can admit that while you seemingly can convince yourself you are an expert on any and all given subjects.

I think a lot of your ideas about baseball are wrong and uninformed and obviously the opinion of someone who doesnt follow the game.

Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. I still think you're a great poster and knowledgeable about many things.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. I still think you're a great poster and knowledgeable about many things.



THERE GOES THE CREW HURTING PEOPLE'S FEELINGS AGAIN. ISN'T IT TIME FOR YOU PEOPLE TO START ANOTHER NEW BOARD?

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:32 pm 
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My first thought after hearing this "This could be the left-handed Scott Linebrink." Relievers are so damn volatile, he could just suddenly become completely useless after a year or two.

I see others had a similar thought here...

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. I still think you're a great poster and knowledgeable about many things.



THERE GOES THE CREW HURTING PEOPLE'S FEELINGS AGAIN. ISN'T IT TIME FOR YOU PEOPLE TO START ANOTHER NEW BOARD?

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Because they offered him 3 for 15 and he took it, you would be a bad negotiator Kirkwood.

BRick doesn't care if it's a bad or good deal. He just cares the Sox are spending.
I guess Cubs fans also make things up to suit their argument!

Not really. You've essentially been saying for two days the Cubs and Sox need to spend money on something


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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My point, quite simply, is that you are acting like spending for spending's sake is a good idea.

Its not. Its a bad idea
My point is painfully obvious. You can't expect to win if you have a low payroll. Now, you may end up doing it but it makes things much harder.

It just doesn't work that way. You dont just spend a bunch of money for spending's sake and get a lot better. You make smart moves.

Im saying to make smart shrewd moves and somehow you are arguing against that point.


Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It most certainly matters. You have a better chance of winning with a high payroll

No, the ranking does not matter. The team that spends the smartest has the best chance.


Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Stop changing what I am saying please.

I dont think you know what you're saying.

You're setting arbitrary payroll goals without giving thought to need. That's insane in any business including MLB
Try again without arguing against things I'm not saying. Do not start by thinking I am saying to spend foolishly.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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You barely follow baseball. You've admitted this several times. Why is it a problem when I restate what you've said?

You follow baseball about as much as I follow NCAA football and similarly I come off less knowledgable in those discussions.

But I can admit that while you seemingly can convince yourself you are an expert on any and all given subjects.

I think a lot of your ideas about baseball are wrong and uninformed and obviously the opinion of someone who doesnt follow the game.

Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. I still think you're a great poster and knowledgeable about many things.
Hey look, Rick is a baseball dummy!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Try again without arguing against things I'm not saying. Do not start by thinking I am saying to spend foolishly.

:lol: I quoted you


Both these quotes advocate spending foolishly

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Lets withhold judgement until we see what the Cubs payroll next year ends up being. If it ends up top 8 like it should be then letting him walk is fine.

Could not acheive that without a couple horrible free agent signings

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5/15 is steep but the Sox absolutely needed somebody like this.
This is what you do when you have money to spend. The Sox have a lot of it.

And here you seem to be advocating overpaying for players because the Sox have the money


Foolish spending. That's what you have been asking for.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hey look, Rick is a baseball dummy!
Do we really have to specify baseball?

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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At some point Bryan has to realize he doesn't have the baseball chops to keep up with BRick in these debates.

Rick barely follows baseball (his own words) and it shows in these types of discussions.

The inverse happens when we discuss NCAA football or basketball

You wouldn't want that much Purdue information anyway.

Sort of how I feel about Razorback information... :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Apologist wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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At some point Bryan has to realize he doesn't have the baseball chops to keep up with BRick in these debates.

Rick barely follows baseball (his own words) and it shows in these types of discussions.

The inverse happens when we discuss NCAA football or basketball

You wouldn't want that much Purdue information anyway.

Sort of how I feel about Razorback information... :oops:

Well thankfully you don't get to much of that then, I didn't even brag about them winning their 1st conference game in almost 2 years yet.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Hey look, Rick is a baseball dummy!

Hey look, Rick is carrying himself like an authority on a subject he doesn't really even follow.

ALERT THE MEDIA!



So, take note everyone. If you think you know more than Rick about anything, you're wrong and a JERK


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Try again without arguing against things I'm not saying. Do not start by thinking I am saying to spend foolishly.

:lol: I quoted you


Both these quotes advocate spending foolishly

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Lets withhold judgement until we see what the Cubs payroll next year ends up being. If it ends up top 8 like it should be then letting him walk is fine.

Could not acheive that without a couple horrible free agent signings

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5/15 is steep but the Sox absolutely needed somebody like this.
This is what you do when you have money to spend. The Sox have a lot of it.

And here you seem to be advocating overpaying for players because the Sox have the money


Foolish spending. That's what you have been asking for.
There is a difference between overpaying and spending foolishly, but what do I know? I'm a baseball dummy!

Keep on holding onto that small little "Top 8 next year" even as I have acknowledged that it may take two years to do it though!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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You wouldn't want that much Purdue information anyway.

Sort of how I feel about Razorback information... :oops:

Well thankfully you don't get to much of that then, I didn't even brag about them winning their 1st conference game in almost 2 years yet.


You mean you didn't start a topic about how Ryan Mallett is better than Joe Montana? :lol:

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The Sox overpaid but you can live with it. A great bullpen can get you to the WS.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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There is a difference between overpaying and spending foolishly, but what do I know? I'm a baseball dummy!

Keep on holding onto that small little "Top 8 next year" even as I have acknowledged that it may take two years to do it though!

You still dont even get it. They could go another three years before they get there and be fine. (Again...SEE GIANTS and PHILLIES )

Your whole outlook on payroll and its relationship to winning is wrong.

Is it real hard for you to admit someone might know more than you on a given subject? Do you go into this dummy routine in real life when someone is more versed on a subject?


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Apologist wrote:
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You wouldn't want that much Purdue information anyway.

Sort of how I feel about Razorback information... :oops:

Well thankfully you don't get to much of that then, I didn't even brag about them winning their 1st conference game in almost 2 years yet.


You mean you didn't start a topic about how Ryan Mallett is better than Joe Montana? :lol:

Not yet :lol:

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The Sox overpaid but you can live with it. A great bullpen can get you to the WS.
Cliff Politte and Neal Cotts agree 8)

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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You still dont even get it. They could go another three years before they get there and be fine. (Again...SEE GIANTS and PHILLIES )

Your whole outlook on payroll and its relationship to winning is wrong.
I'll defer to your knowledge. Happy?
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Is it real hard for you to admit someone might know more than you on a given subject? Do you go into this dummy routine in real life when someone is more versed on a subject?
No, but it's not like I'm surrounded by people saying "Trust me. I know more than you".

Sorry for having an opinion on something that you don't think I'm qualified to discuss. I'll learn my place better from now on.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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I'll learn my place better from now on.


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Ok, so the answer is a resounding YES, you have a hard time with it.

Its not that you have an opinion. It's that you somehow convince yourself that your opinion is fact and then you just go on and on.

How many rounds of you making those uninformed statements about payroll ranking are we supposed to go through?

Its like when you explained that ND was gonna be ranked lower than MSU. What if I had just kept responding all day that "No, you're wrong"

You ended up being right. Because you know more. Because you follow it more. And that's....ok


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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Its not that you have an opinion. It's that you somehow convince yourself that your opinion is fact and then you just go on and on.
Aren't you convinced that your opinion is fact here?

Since I'm a baseball dummy, I did some research and there is evidence that payroll is correlated with winning percentage even though it is smaller than it was in the 90s.

Sounds like you are basically saying "Rick, I know more than you, just trust me".

I'll stick with my idea that it would be better if the Sox had a top 10 payroll than if they had a bottom 10 payroll, but what do I know?

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Try again without arguing against things I'm not saying.


:lol: This one is getting quoted the next time you ask me to answer for somebody else's comments, when we argue about weed.

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Try again without arguing against things I'm not saying.


:lol: This one is getting quoted the next time you ask me to answer for somebody else's comments, when we argue about weed.
Looks like I'm in trouble.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 Off Season
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Its not that you have an opinion. It's that you somehow convince yourself that your opinion is fact and then you just go on and on.
Aren't you convinced that your opinion is fact here?

Since I'm a baseball dummy, I did some research and there is evidence that payroll is correlated with winning percentage even though it is smaller than it was in the 90s.

Sounds like you are basically saying "Rick, I know more than you, just trust me".

I'll stick with my idea that it would be better if the Sox had a top 10 payroll than if they had a bottom 10 payroll, but what do I know?

I don't mean to come off arrogant

There are a few guys in the board that know and follow baseball more than me.

You don't. You barely follow it. So when we have these discussions and come to a (I'm right, no I'm right) stalemate I can't help but think "well my opinion is probably more informed here"

That might still be arrogance, I dont know


And yes back in the 90s it was different. Basically since 96 teams have needed a core of homegrown players. Even the Yankees stopped winning when they went Fa crazy (Giambi, Mussina, Brown) as opposed to the Championship teams


The 01 DBacks are an outlier. Literally every other team had a core of homegrown players (not to say you can't add a FA here and there)

Also, a lot of these high payrolls are a result of resigning great homegrown players.

That's the way to raise your payroll. Develop and resign great players like The Philiies, Giants and even the Red Sox and Yankees in recent years.

So while a high payroll is fine, the idea of spending to some limit, rather than just filling needed positions is a bad one.


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