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Maybe Reinny wanted to sign Turner....Tina Turner. But refused to bring Ike on as her hitting instructor. :eye:

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Seems to me like Pedro Grifol is going to carry all the pressure baggage. Management thinks 87-88 wins is super duper enough. Might even win a division. KW is looking forward to Pedro's redass.

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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

They definitely backed out on the public deal they made.

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remember how, after losing out on Machado, they promised his money would be spent

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remember how, after losing out on Machado, they promised his money would be spent


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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

Canceling the Soxfest convention really looks cowardly now.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

Canceling the Soxfest convention really looks cowardly now.

Yep. Their egos cannot handle being booed or having to deal with difficult questions

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

Canceling the Soxfest convention really looks cowardly now.

Yep. Their egos cannot handle being booed or having to deal with difficult questions

Mr Reinsdorf, will you please die?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

Canceling the Soxfest convention really looks cowardly now.

Yep. Their egos cannot handle being booed or having to deal with difficult questions
It was cowardly back when it was cancelled. Kenny and company would be tarred and feathered- rightly so- had they opted to have a Soxfest this winter.

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RFDC wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.

Canceling the Soxfest convention really looks cowardly now.

Yep. Their egos cannot handle being booed or having to deal with difficult questions



I am kinda curious as to the number of cancellations of season tickets for the 2023 season.


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Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).

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Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).


He'll be 32 by then and hopefully have Colson Montgomery's play demanding he be the new SS. Anderson is a comparative bargain at 12 and 14 million the next two years.

People are way too down on TA.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).


He'll be 32 by then and hopefully have Colson Montgomery's play demanding he be the new SS. Anderson is a comparative bargain at 12 and 14 million the next two years.

People are way too down on TA.

He's in his prime and he screwed the pooch last year. His 9 figure future is on the line this year.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).


He'll be 32 by then and hopefully have Colson Montgomery's play demanding he be the new SS. Anderson is a comparative bargain at 12 and 14 million the next two years.

People are way too down on TA.

I'm not down on him, I just forgot that he's not an FA until after 2024 instead of 2023. And I think he'd rather hold down SS until Anthony Volpe is ready than Colson Montgomery.

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he screwed the pooch last year.
You aren't wrong, but Timmay had plenty of company in this department.

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I remember listening to one of the SCORE shows when the news came out that soxfest was not happening. One of them speculated that this meant that the Sox had no plans of making any significant offseason moves other wise they would want to have a soxfest to show that off. Seemed crazy to me at the time but not so crazy any more.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).


He'll be 32 by then and hopefully have Colson Montgomery's play demanding he be the new SS. Anderson is a comparative bargain at 12 and 14 million the next two years.

People are way too down on TA.



He is too big. He is either gonna end up at 3B or LF, imo. His fielding % is right under 950. Not sure that's gonna get better at SS for him.


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good dolphin wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).


He'll be 32 by then and hopefully have Colson Montgomery's play demanding he be the new SS. Anderson is a comparative bargain at 12 and 14 million the next two years.

People are way too down on TA.



He's obviously not a guy you want your team built around and as long as he's in Chicago, the team is built around him.

If the Sox weren't cheap they'd sign Swanson and trade Anderson. But they'll stay with cheap Anderson and hope cheap Montgomery is ready after that.

I guess it isn't enough to have a rent-free ballpark. They still won't spend to compete.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Once Correa and Swanson sign, do they trade Tim Anderson? I mean, there is no way Reinsdorf is going to give him what Swanson gets (probably $175M).


He'll be 32 by then and hopefully have Colson Montgomery's play demanding he be the new SS. Anderson is a comparative bargain at 12 and 14 million the next two years.

People are way too down on TA.



He is too big. He is either gonna end up at 3B or LF, imo. His fielding % is right under 950. Not sure that's gonna get better at SS for him.


I've heard that as well. The scouting reports don't have him sticking at short. They're going to have to look elsewhere for the short stop of the future.


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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.


This is not the first time I've seen you claim six years of intentional losing. 17, 18, and 19 should definitely be on any list of intentional losing, but what years are you referencing to get to six?


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The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible


Yeah, it ended up working out, but even if it hadn't, they still got rid of Carlos Lee. That was a plus right there.

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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.


This is not the first time I've seen you claim six years of intentional losing. 17, 18, and 19 should definitely be on any list of intentional losing, but what years are you referencing to get to six?



It was really 7 years. They didn't declare it "tanking" until the Sale trade, but if they were trying and winning 78 games at most, that's even worse.

When you're a big market team going to war with guys like Gillaspie and DeAza, I consider that losing on purpose.

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The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible


Yeah, it ended up working out, but even if it hadn't, they still got rid of Carlos Lee. That was a plus right there.



Lee is the best left fielder they've had in 25 years (since Albert Belle) unless you count one fluky season by Carlos Quentin.

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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.


This is not the first time I've seen you claim six years of intentional losing. 17, 18, and 19 should definitely be on any list of intentional losing, but what years are you referencing to get to six?



It was really 7 years. They didn't declare it "tanking" until the Sale trade, but if they were trying and winning 78 games at most, that's even worse.

When you're a big market team going to war with guys like Gillaspie and DeAza, I consider that losing on purpose.


I've obviously never had a look at the White Sox' books, but I've never considered them to be a "big market team." At least, they've certainly never behaved as one. This city is split 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 in favor of the Cubs. The actual market size for the Sox is probably something closer to Detroit.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible


Yeah, it ended up working out, but even if it hadn't, they still got rid of Carlos Lee. That was a plus right there.



Lee is the best left fielder they've had in 25 years (since Albert Belle) unless you count one fluky season by Carlos Quentin.

Doesn't mean he was any good. They get rid of his shitty, not much more than one-dimensional play, and they win the World Series. He was a typical, lazy Sox softball player.

Edit: I realize I am taking the meatball interpretation, but Ozzie was right about C-Lee.

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The White Sox have broken a covenant with their fans. They asked for patience while they lost on purpose for six seasons. Then when they were finally ready to compete they refused to spend the money required to do so. So they're going with hope. They hope everyone will have career years. Maybe they will. The 2004-05 offseason was destructive and terrible and they somehow followed it up with a World Series. But that isn't likely.


This is not the first time I've seen you claim six years of intentional losing. 17, 18, and 19 should definitely be on any list of intentional losing, but what years are you referencing to get to six?


It was really 7 years. They didn't declare it "tanking" until the Sale trade, but if they were trying and winning 78 games at most, that's even worse.

When you're a big market team going to war with guys like Gillaspie and DeAza, I consider that losing on purpose.


I've obviously never had a look at the White Sox' books, but I've never considered them to be a "big market team." At least, they've certainly never behaved as one. This city is split 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 in favor of the Cubs. The actual market size for the Sox is probably something closer to Detroit.

I recall somehow teams revenues got published during a collusion case in like 2003. Sox were a top 10 revenue team. This was before JR was a billionaire. He only pays $1 million a year in rent. He's not responsible for upkeep and gets all parking and concessions. He gets big market money with TV and Radio. Because it's a big market. Also with big market ticket prices. 8th highest. So no, it isn't Detroit.

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Ranking MLB Teams With Highest Revenue Generated
#No. Teams Annual Revenue Team Value
1 Los Angeles Dodgers $565 million $4.07 billion
2 New York Yankees $482 million $6 billion
3 Boston Red Sox $479 million $3.9 billion
4 Atlanta Braves $443 million $2.1 billion
5 Chicago Cubs $425 million $3.8 billion
6 Houston Astros $388 million $1.98 billion
7 Texas Rangers $387 million $2.05 billion
8 San Francisco Giants $384 million $3.5 billion
9 Los Angeles Angels $331 million $2.2 billion
10 Philadelphia Phillies $323 million $2.3 billion
11 Washington Nationals $322 million $2 billion
12 Seattle Mariners $313 million $1.7 billion
13 New York Mets $302 million $2.65 billion
14 St Louis Cardinals $287 million $2.45 billion
15 San Diego Padres $282 million $1.57 billion
16 Colorado Rockies $270 million $1.38 billion
17 Milwaukee Brewers $269 million $1.28 billion
18 Minnesota Twins $268 million $1.39 billion
19 Detroit Tigers $268 million $1.4 billion
20 Cleveland Guardians $267 million $1.3 billion
21 Arizona Diamondbacks$267 million $1.38 billion
22 Cincinnati Reds $266 million $1.19 billion
23 Kansas City Royals $263 million $1.11 billion
24 Chicago White Sox $258 million $1.76 billion
25 Pittsburgh Pirates $258 million $1.32 billion
26 Tampa Bay Rays $252 million $1.1 billion
27 Baltimore Orioles $251 million $1.37 billion
28 Toronto Blue Jays $238 million $1.78 billion
29 Oakland Athletics $208 million $1.18 billion
30 Miami Marlins $240 million $0.99 billion

https://www.totalsportal.com/list/mlb-teams-with-highest-revenue/

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