What are you talking about? Beckham can play all three infield positions better than Castro. And he will hit. If you thought he was going to be Eddie Collins, that's on you.

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i think castro can hit 16 -18 a year, x that by 14 years = 235 ish

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beckham is decent with the glove, but i see him being a 250 hitter, strikes out too much for his lack of power. i have never thought beckham was going to be that good.

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Nothing wrong with that.


Polanco has had a very good to great career

I could give you example after example of guys who came out and looked like Babe Ruth and are not even remembered. I have nothing against Castro. I just don't get excited over a guy just because he hits .300 over a few hundred at-bats. The same things you guys are saying about Castro were said about Corey Patterson and yeah, Kevin Orie.




I'm not sure what you mean by that. I believe Castro is a major league player. I doubt he will have the offensive career of someone like Alfonso Soriano, a guy most Cub fans think is a worthless turd and would love to get rid of.



Certainly this is much more relevant to pitchers, but ALL of them are hurt. Some are just more durable than others. That's why I wouldn't make a stupid ass statement that some guy who wins 17 games and posts a low ERA as a rookie is the greatest thing ever. I've just seen too many guys break down. Santana has had a good career, but he's no lock to win 200 games. It isn't easy. If I had said five years ago that a guy like Bob Welch would have a better career than Santana, a bunch of young dopes would have ridiculed me. I'm sure they can see now that that's quite likely to be the case.



Maybe Castro is special. But I'm sure a lot of Royals fans thought Bob Hamelin was special too. I think Beckham and Castro will both be starting players in the majors for a while. Beyond that, I don't know.

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i have seen dwight smith, jerome walton and corey patterson...none were this good this young...i never thought orie was anything special.

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Castro has already done it longer than Orie and Patterson ever did.
Neither of those guys ever looked as good as Castro has.

I just dont get how a baseball savvy guy such as yourself doesnt see the difference between Castro and the guys you named.

Was Bob Welch's career really better? I mean I get the longevity argument but Santana was a dominant pitcher for a 5 year stretch.

Some would say thats better than being good for 15 years.

Also, Bob Welch won 27 games out of nowhere while playing with Joe Canseco, Mark McGwire and his manager was the steroid godfather.

So there's that.




Alfonso Soriano has Hall of Fame type offensive numbers.

Now he sucks overall and he's making way too much money. Dont hate cub fans for being frustrated with that.



This seems to come down to the show me argument.

I hate that. I understand there are no locks.

But that doesnt mean we cant try and reasonably project.

Like guys who said LeBron hasnt done anything in the NBA before he started.

Ya, he hasnt done anything, but its pretty obvious that he will.

Same with Bryce Harper. I dont feel like I should apologize because I think he might be awesome. And if he busts out...so what.

The stand on the sidelines and wait til its proved to me crowd is no more informed than the rest of us. They just choose to sit on the sideline and wait until its hit you over the head obvious.

Im not afraid to project and Im not afraid to be wrong (obviously)

You're making it seem like I'm bashing Castro, which I am not.

Baseball is a game of time and repetition. I see fans today leaping to anoint this guy or that guy as the "greatest ever" and I just find it a little silly. Baseball is the kind of game where the tortoise often beats the hare.

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No youre not bashing Castro.

I added more to my post. hit submit accidentally before i was done.


But comparing Castro to Orie is pretty close to bashing him

Alright im goin over to my daughters house to see what the Easter bunny brought her.

Happy Easter!

Baseball rules!

But it's a whole lot easier to project a basketball player than a baseball player.

I don't think any of us can look at 100 minor leaguers and say which ones are going to be good or great players. Even GMs can't do that.

If you want to project, let's do it realistically. What position do you see Castro at for most of his career? You seem to think he's going to get bigger and stronger and hit with more power. He's already shaky at short. He'll probably end up over at third base. Do you expect him to have a better offensive career than a guy like Aramis Ramirez? That isn't a bet I would make.

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you are comparing castro to the wrong ramirez, it is hanley not aramis i see

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You trying to tell me he is out there because of his glove?

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A first round draft pick who has been a starter in the big leagues for his first 3 years is a "bust"? That's quite a high bar that's been set given the success rate of any MLB draft pick.

He's been disappointing for sure but he's already had a better career than many first round picks.

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So the expectations/hype surrounding him (in Chicago) is the same as all other 1st round picks, right? The fact that he's a "starter" really doesn't mean anything, other than poor decision making by the Sox.
Really don't understand why he's a starter in Chicago at all. Most other high draft picks would still be in AA/AAA with the numbers he's putting up the last couple of years. Yet I agree with you on that - he continues to start on a team that was supposed to win their division.

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I predict that he is a MLB starter for at least 10 years. I can't call that a bust.

The expectations seem to have been too high. He may have been better served in the minors. In my opinion though, the major reason why a player should stay in the minors is if they aren't getting time with the major league team. That's not his issue. He's just not playing well or he may not be that good.

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If he was a QB for the Bears Brick would call him a bust.

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No, Im not one of the Castrophiles counting on him getting bigger and devoloping power.

Aramis Ramirez has had a great offensive career. One could be worse than him and still good.

I think he could be somewhere between Renteria-Polanco-Larkin

One thing is clear: He's a hitter. Pure and simple. He will continue to hit. All im saying is, its not crazy to get excited about him as he's clearly (IMO) a good player with a chance to be great.


As far as devoloping power, Ive seen guys go from 12-25. Not sure Ive seen a guy who hits 1 every 400 AB's get up to 20

Maybe he'll juice.

If he juices, he'll be Seattle A Rod.

As a Baseball player and draft pick, Beckham is not close to a bust.

Busts barely make the majors and have no success when they do. He's had success.


Chicago got a little ahead of themselves on him for whatever reason (White) so in that regard, he's pretty dissappointing.

See, I wouldn't say Aramis has had a great offensive career. He's been really good. But if Castro did the same thing as Ramirez has, I could see people calling him a "bust". And that isn't right either.

It just seems to me that fans today are way too quick to declare a guy "great".

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upon further review Ty Cobb better watch his ass. Castro is going to hit .400

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Gotta give Doc some credit. He seems to have nailed it.

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