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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:33 pm 
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cpguy wrote:
Should they tear this bitch down?

Trade Dunn, trade Konerko??

Both have value and they desperately need young talent...


I don't think they consider moving Konerko. I think Dunn will be back as well.

I do think they should look to see if they can move Rios, but his contract and up/down years may not make such a move beneficial if they are paying some of his contract or can't land young talent in return.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:37 pm 
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cpguy wrote:
Should they tear this bitch down?

Trade Dunn, trade Konerko??

Both have value and they desperately need young talent...


I don't think they consider moving Konerko. I think Dunn will be back as well.

I do think they should look to see if they can move Rios, but his contract and up/down years may not make such a move beneficial if they are paying some of his contract or can't land young talent in return.

I'm not sure what kind of $$$$ Alex Rios is still owed. I think the White Sox inherited Rios & his big contract he had signed in Toronto when the Sox got Rios via waivers about 3 years ago. A year ago, I didn't think think the White Sox could trade Rios, Adam Dunn & Jake Peavy considering how much they're all earning.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:39 pm 
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If I'm JR, I pare down payroll to the minimum. Attendance can only get so much worse.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:41 pm 
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If I'm JR, I pare down payroll to the minimum. Attendance can only get so much worse.

:lol: That's called a Theo

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:43 pm 
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13:$12.5M, 14:$12.5M, 15:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout)

He's owed 2yr/$26M. When you look around baseball at what other outfielders are being paid and will be paid this off season Rios contract is pretty reasonable.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:49 pm 
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A.J. is doing what he does every year in September. Hitting a lot of weak ground balls to the right side.


When you get down to it Dunn and Konerko have killed this team down the stretch. They just haven't produced the way middle of the order guys have to. Ventura's response to that has been to further cripple the offense with ill-advised strategy.

Viciedo hits a homer every 22 at-bats. Wise hits one every 25 at-bats. But I guarantee he can't hit one when he's bunting. Even if he could bunt like Nellie Fox, it's a bad idea. The fact that he's terrible at it makes it worse. He was lucky not to pop out and then he put himself in an 0-2 count. He isn't the kind of hitter to overcome that consistently. Besides that, what would make you think you could score a guy from second with the weak guys that were coming up? You had the bases loaded twice with no outs and struggled to push one across.


In September:
Adam Dunn: .232, 3 HR, 6 RBI, 56 AB, .802 OPS, .338 OBP
Gordon Beckham: .254, 4 HR, 11 RBI, 67 AB, .845 OPS, .367 OBP
Paul Konerko: .238, 4 HR, 10 RBI, 84 AB, .755 OPS, .326 OBP
Kevin Youkilis: .225, 3 HR, 7 RBI, 80 AB, .701 OPS, .326 OBP
A.De Aza: .280, 3 HR, 6 RBI, 75 AB, .852 OPS, .372 OBP
A.J Pierzynski: .244, 3 HR, 5 RBI, 82 AB, .677 OPS, .287 OBP
A.Ramirez: .239, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 88 AB, .574 OPS, .256 OBP


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:50 pm 
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Phegley is an option but if they go with Flowers as the everyday catcher I think they will sign a veteran catcher like Jose Molina/Kelly Shoppach to back him up.

Carlos Sanchez is an interesting player, SHARKY. He played 2B, SS and a little 3B at 3 levels in the minor leagues this year and they are sending him to the AFL. He probably needs another year in the minors but he looks to have a very bright future.


If they don't bring AJ back, I think it's more likely that they go the veteran route with somebody to back up Flowers 2 days a week.

I think if A.J. Pierzynski ends his career right now, he has a bright future in broadcasting. I'm not sure what kind of contract is available for a guy who's not getting any younger at age 35. As for Jose Molina, he has a $1.5 million option with a $300,000 buyout with the Tampa Bay Rays. Kelly Shoppach started this past season with the Boston Red Sox, but got dealt to the New York Mets around the MLB Trade Deadline. He is a free agent after this season.


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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:56 pm 
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BD wrote:
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Phegley is an option but if they go with Flowers as the everyday catcher I think they will sign a veteran catcher like Jose Molina/Kelly Shoppach to back him up.

Carlos Sanchez is an interesting player, SHARKY. He played 2B, SS and a little 3B at 3 levels in the minor leagues this year and they are sending him to the AFL. He probably needs another year in the minors but he looks to have a very bright future.


If they don't bring AJ back, I think it's more likely that they go the veteran route with somebody to back up Flowers 2 days a week.

I think if A.J. Pierzynski ends his career right now, he has a bright future in broadcasting. I'm not sure what kind of contract is available for a guy who's not getting any younger at age 35. As for Jose Molina, he has a $1.5 million option with a $300,000 buyout with the Tampa Bay Rays. Kelly Shoppach started this past season with the Boston Red Sox, but got dealt to the New York Mets around the MLB Trade Deadline. He is a free agent after this season.

AJ can play in the league as long as he keeps up with his HGH injections

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:16 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:08 pm 
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Keyser Soze wrote:
13:$12.5M, 14:$12.5M, 15:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout)

He's owed 2yr/$26M. When you look around baseball at what other outfielders are being paid and will be paid this off season Rios contract is pretty reasonable.

You forgot the fact that if you trade him, you add a half mill to the '13 and '14 year salaries.

I agree that is pretty reasonable. If you wanted to go young, he'd be the one guy I think you could move. I would have absolutely no problem retaining him though.

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 Post subject: Re: 2013 Sox
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:07 pm 
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If only Earl Weaver could sit down with Robin, and tell him that there is nothing wrong with waiting for them big cocksuckers to hit the fucking ball out of the fucking park.


The real question here is what does Robin think that Alice Sweet from Norfolk should do about her tomato plants?

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