Sports teams don't create business, they just divert it. If people didn't spend money on the White Sox, they'd just spend it on something else.

Has the city lost or made money on the White Sox existing there?

Maybe $20-$30 mill in revenue over 20+ years of operation.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It is a lot easier to jack up the toll rates when you don't have to physically hand the money over at every toll.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

No. The $40 sits on the IPass. It doesn't go to the state or whoever until you go thru the tollbooth.

Are you sure?

It would be very easy for the state to hold the money and put a "40$ credit" on your card til you use it.

In the meantime, the state has the money

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

How many jobs did IPASS eliminate?

I assumed Frank was kidding. Of course the state has the money and is using it to pay one of its many pensions to guys who never did any work in the first place.

or to pay 22 million dollar settlements to people the cops were negligent with

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Florida's Turnpike doesn't even have manual toolbooths anymore. We're behind a national laughingstock of a state.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Florida's Turnpike doesn't even have manual toolbooths anymore. We're behind a national laughingstock of a state.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Relatedly, using public money to pay for roads and bridges is the second biggest scam going.

Read a couple links on the CBS sports site this morning. Both the Rams and Dolphins are trying again to get hundreds of millions in improvements to their stadiums at taxpayer cost. WTF, those two aren't even that old?

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Read a couple links on the CBS sports site this morning. Both the Rams and Dolphins are trying again to get hundreds of millions in improvements to their stadiums at taxpayer cost. WTF, those two aren't even that old?

*jaw drops*

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Sports teams don't create business, they just divert it. If people didn't spend money on the White Sox, they'd just spend it on something else. And there wouldn't be exorbitant hotel taxes that rot out the convention industry!

As for the city, the neighborhood, the Rickettses, and other powers that be: they need to realize Wrigleyville is a symbiotic relationship. The park is the neighborhood and the neighborhood is the park. It may take the neighborhood to be a voice of reason and say that too many night games or too much advertising will, in addition to spoiling their quality of life, compromise the atmosphere that people come to take in in the first place. At the same time, the neighborhood owes itself to the Cubs, and shutting down everything they suggest is just as much a case of golden-goose-icide as papering the joint in tacky ads and flashing lights. So I hope both sides can work together constructively. That the public won't be asked to finance it anymore should help a lot in that regard.

Seventeen years seems to be the new magic number in the stadium racket. The Panthers sought nearly $200 million in public money for a renovation of 17-year-old Bank of America Stadium—and received about half. The Falcons began agitating for a new stadium in 2009 to replace the then-17-year-old Georgia Dome—they received a minimum of $200 million in public funding.