What are the numbers?

In games that Quintana pitches, how much does he lower their runs scored from their average and how much does the opposing pitcher lower the runs scored of the White Sox?

The whole argument here is that the Sox, who are a bad offense, are even worse with Quintana pitching for some strange reason. The likely answer is that the other pitcher is outperforming him by shutting down the offense more than expected.

Show us the math!

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Of course he has. If you really think game context has no bearing I'm not sure what you're rooting for. You can't move runs from one game to another.

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Good to see you recognize that in yourself.

And that game conditions, particularly plate umpire and hitter's background, have a huge effect on how many runs are scored. Quintana usually takes the worst of it. He's an okay pitcher, far from "dominant", and far from being a top ten pitcher in the majors.

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I've never used a short sample. I've stated time and time again like a broken record that baseball is a game of time and repetition. After 140 big league starts, Quintana has been found wanting.

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In 11 of his 22 starts he's given up 1 run or less. In 15 of his 22 starts he's given up 2 runs or less. Not sure what more you can ask for.

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For his career he's in the bottom 5 in run support and has been in the bottom 10 every season of his career.

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What have the guys he faced done? Are they as great as he is?

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I don't recognize "run support". Are you saying that the pitchers in the same games he has been in allowed less runs than he did?

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are they facing the same offenses ?

When a guy gives up 16 total runs in those 15 starts I think it's absolutely ridiculous to tell him to pitch better.

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Are Felix Doubront and Kyle Gibson better pitchers than Jose Quintana?

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Doubront is a reliever who has pitched over 100 innings maybe once or twice. I barely know who Gibson is but I'm gonna say he has a losing record. You can do better if you want to go this route.

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The guys Quintana is facing are holding the Sox further below their run-scoring average than Quintana is holding the other team below theirs. That should end that line of argument in Quintana's favor.

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Yes.

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show me that stats in percentage terms.

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"QOPP R/9" is "Quintana Opponents' Runs per 9 Innings", and "ROPP R/G" is "Real Opponents Runs per Game". The bottom in bold is an average of all teams (not including the inter-league split at the top), and as you can see, Quintana is able to limit opponent scoring to about 65% of their averages when extrapolated out to 9 innings. Without extrapolation, Quintana holds opponents to an average that is 47% of their regular marks.

The White Sox average 3.39 R/9 when Quintana is on the hill, and their average is 3.99 R/G. So, all told, the opposing pitchers are limiting White Sox output to 85% of their average.

The problem is that the Sox' offense is so bad, that even limiting it's run-scoring rate by 85% makes leaving the game after 5, 6, or 7 innings and change with a lead an even more daunting task if you give up even a single run. And that is why "Wins" is such an awful metric.

I'm not sure what you mean by "percentage terms", but IMU gave you the numbers above as if they supported his argument rather than mine.

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If your argument is so fucking strong, why are you always disingenuously hiding the ball with short samples?

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JLN just answered it.

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So in the 15 games that Quintana gave up a total of 16 runs (1 or less in 11 games 2 or less in 4) you believe that he should pitch better?

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No, I believe Ian Kennedy and Ricky Nolasco should pitch worse.

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Because I have to create these databases manually? I'd happily compile a database from which I can make all kinds of arguments, and if I had a sports talk show in a two-team baseball town, I just might. But I don't, so I won't, and I'll continue to take the easier route in compiling databases, which means smaller samples.

So he should pitch better? Maybe give up 0 runs in all of them? Your argument is ridiculous.

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I consider any argument that suggests that a guy who pitches worse than the opposition in the majority of his games is great to be ridiculous.

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All I know if I was in a World Series game 7 there's no one I'd rather have on the mound for my team than the guy Quintana is pitching against.

He's in the Cy Young discussion but you would tell me that he's having a mediocre season.

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I remember when we used to have this argument about Jeff Samardzija and how all those advanced stats told me how great he was but for run support and here is finally pitching for a good team and he all he can muster is 8-7 with a mid 4 ERA.

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