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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa

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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa


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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa

It was not a good call. Research baseball plz.


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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa

It was not a good call. Research baseball plz.

Ozzie agreed with me. Bumper Humper and Vigilante Cop Killer agrees with you. Might want to take your own advice.

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Bunt works if he bunts it to third like he was supposed to.

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Bunt works if he bunts it to third like he was supposed to.



Agreed, but this is definitely a case where both sides have some merit.

The force out at third was literally the first out Holland has recorded this year against the Sox.

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Bunt works if he bunts it to third like he was supposed to.


Yep. That's all he had to do. Ozzie said most guys today do not know how to lay down a bunt. A slap hitting infielder should know how to execute a bunt.

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Bunt works if he bunts it to third like he was supposed to.



Agreed, but this is definitely a case where both sides have some merit.

The force out at third was literally the first out Holland has recorded this year against the Sox.


It was a slap hitter; I'd take my chances on him bunting and at worst making an out rather than him hitting into a double play. He was trying to put his runners in scoring position for the top of the order.

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Bunting against a guy who allowed 4 straight to reach and has yet to record an out is dumb no matter what the situation is. Even if the bunt is successful it is bad as you gave up an out vs a bum who can't get them to save his life.

In 2 appearances vs the Sox, that AAA bum had not gotten a single out until the bunt.

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Will the spineless media ask Tony about his bunt call there?

Spineless? You must not tune into his post game pressers


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Has TLR been asked about his excessive bunt calls? Generally, not a fan of bunting but the White Sox seem to be bunting quite a bit.


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Has TLR been asked about his excessive bunt calls? Generally, not a fan of bunting but the White Sox seem to be bunting quite a bit.

Yep. Tony got a bit testy and doubled down on the call to bunt.


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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa

It was not a good call. Research baseball plz.

Ozzie agreed with me. Bumper Humper and Vigilante Cop Killer agrees with you. Might want to take your own advice.

Derek Holland had yet to get an out against the Sox this year. He had an ERA over 10. He was horrible this game. Ozzie said it himself - guys don't bunt anymore. They aren't good at bunting. KYP - know your personnel, Tony. Mendick obviously isn't good at bunting.

You give up an out to a guy that shouldnt even be in the league anymore. It was a stupid decision. There's a reason Benetti and Stone were flabbergasted by the decision. Tony is a dinosaur that is unable to adapt to modern baseball. He's probably slowed down mentally, too.


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No bunting EVER innings 1-6. Play for the big inning. I can't stress that enough. I don't care if it's a bum like Holland or Jacob Of Grom.

That being said, it isn't the end of the world. Still had two outs to play with and the next two guys didn't get the job done either. Want to make the manager never bunt again? Have a big inning anyway.


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Derek Holland had yet to get an out against the Sox this year. He had an ERA over 10. He was horrible this game. Ozzie said it himself - guys don't bunt anymore. They aren't good at bunting. KYP - know your personnel, Tony. Mendick obviously isn't good at bunting.

You give up an out to a guy that shouldnt even be in the league anymore. It was a stupid decision. There's a reason Benetti and Stone were flabbergasted by the decision. Tony is a dinosaur that is unable to adapt to modern baseball. He's probably slowed down mentally, too.


New old is just message board claptrap I suspect that if he would have struck out or hit into a DP you along with the rapidly forming anti Larussa Brigade would have been complaining about him not bunting. Its clear that you, Benny Barstool, Bumper Humper have an Anti LaRussa thing going. If they lose its because of him and if they win its in spite of him.

. The guy is a .200 hitter. Its not like he was asking Abreu or Moncada to lay one down. He is in the major leagues. He is a guy that should know how to handle the bat.

Non power hitters that are .200 hitters have always been expected to bunt in certain situations. Its known as TABLE SETTING. Its always been known as table setting.

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Derek Holland had yet to get an out against the Sox this year. He had an ERA over 10. He was horrible this game. Ozzie said it himself - guys don't bunt anymore. They aren't good at bunting. KYP - know your personnel, Tony. Mendick obviously isn't good at bunting.

You give up an out to a guy that shouldnt even be in the league anymore. It was a stupid decision. There's a reason Benetti and Stone were flabbergasted by the decision. Tony is a dinosaur that is unable to adapt to modern baseball. He's probably slowed down mentally, too.


New old is just message board claptrap I suspect that if he would have struck out or hit into a DP you along with the rapidly forming anti Larussa Brigade would have been complaining about him not bunting. Its clear that you Benny Barstool, Bumper Humper have an Anti LaRussa thing going. If they lose its because of him and if they win its in spite of him.

. The guy is a .200 hitter. Its not like he was asking Abreu or Moncada to lay one down. He is in the major leagues. He is a guy that should know how to handle the bat.

Non power hitters that are .200 hitters have always been expected to bunt in certain situations. Its known as TABLE SETTING. Its always been known as table setting.

White Sox hitters had an OBP of 1.000 against Holland. We're really giving up a free out against that dude? What a joke. EvErYbOdY ShOuLd Be AbLe To BuNt is something you'd expect to hear from a meatball boomer fan. Guys don't bunt as much anymore because people have learned that it's not usually a good option. Mendick isn't a good bunter. This is on Tony for not knowing that his player can't bunt well. Tony didn't know his personal. He used to be a great manager, but the game has passed him by unfortunately.


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Derek Holland had yet to get an out against the Sox this year. He had an ERA over 10. He was horrible this game. Ozzie said it himself - guys don't bunt anymore. They aren't good at bunting. KYP - know your personnel, Tony. Mendick obviously isn't good at bunting.

You give up an out to a guy that shouldnt even be in the league anymore. It was a stupid decision. There's a reason Benetti and Stone were flabbergasted by the decision. Tony is a dinosaur that is unable to adapt to modern baseball. He's probably slowed down mentally, too.


New old is just message board claptrap I suspect that if he would have struck out or hit into a DP you along with the rapidly forming anti Larussa Brigade would have been complaining about him not bunting. Its clear that you Benny Barstool, Bumper Humper have an Anti LaRussa thing going. If they lose its because of him and if they win its in spite of him.

. The guy is a .200 hitter. Its not like he was asking Abreu or Moncada to lay one down. He is in the major leagues. He is a guy that should know how to handle the bat.

Non power hitters that are .200 hitters have always been expected to bunt in certain situations. Its known as TABLE SETTING. Its always been known as table setting.

White Sox hitters had an OBP of 1.000 against Holland. We're really giving up a free out against that dude? What a joke. EvErYbOdY ShOuLd Be AbLe To BuNt is something you'd expect to hear from a meatball boomer fan. Guys don't bunt as much anymore because people have learned that it's not usually a good option. Mendick isn't a good bunter. This is on Tony for not knowing that his player can't bunt well. Tony didn't know his personal. He used to be a great manager, but the game has passed him by unfortunately.


The team wasn't batting. A .200 hitting utility infielder was. As far as the analytics garbage you're spewing currently its great to see that you are a subscriber to the best selling Dan Bernstein baseball for dummies handbook.

The game has "passed him by" as evidenced by the fact that he has his team in first even as 2 guys that he really has counted on are out of the lineup.

And saying that a singles hitter shouldn't be expected to know how to bunt is just stupid.

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Even if you assume the bunt is going to be successful (bad assumption to make as yesterday showed the bunt can fail) you lower your expected run total in the inning when you change the situation from 1st and 2nd with no outs to 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

That is why ordering a bunt with anyone other than a pitcher in a NL game is a fireable offense in 2021 MLB.

We have about 20 years of data behind the run expectancy matrix. Its very existence has destroyed the argument behind bunting.

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Derek Holland had yet to get an out against the Sox this year. He had an ERA over 10. He was horrible this game. Ozzie said it himself - guys don't bunt anymore. They aren't good at bunting. KYP - know your personnel, Tony. Mendick obviously isn't good at bunting.

You give up an out to a guy that shouldnt even be in the league anymore. It was a stupid decision. There's a reason Benetti and Stone were flabbergasted by the decision. Tony is a dinosaur that is unable to adapt to modern baseball. He's probably slowed down mentally, too.


New old is just message board claptrap I suspect that if he would have struck out or hit into a DP you along with the rapidly forming anti Larussa Brigade would have been complaining about him not bunting. Its clear that you Benny Barstool, Bumper Humper have an Anti LaRussa thing going. If they lose its because of him and if they win its in spite of him.

. The guy is a .200 hitter. Its not like he was asking Abreu or Moncada to lay one down. He is in the major leagues. He is a guy that should know how to handle the bat.

Non power hitters that are .200 hitters have always been expected to bunt in certain situations. Its known as TABLE SETTING. Its always been known as table setting.

White Sox hitters had an OBP of 1.000 against Holland. We're really giving up a free out against that dude? What a joke. EvErYbOdY ShOuLd Be AbLe To BuNt is something you'd expect to hear from a meatball boomer fan. Guys don't bunt as much anymore because people have learned that it's not usually a good option. Mendick isn't a good bunter. This is on Tony for not knowing that his player can't bunt well. Tony didn't know his personal. He used to be a great manager, but the game has passed him by unfortunately.


AJ Hinch would’ve just told him to listen for the bang then hit it a mile !!

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Even if you assume the bunt is going to be successful (bad assumption to make as yesterday showed the bunt can fail) you lower your expected run total in the inning when you change the situation from 1st and 2nd with no outs to 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

That is why ordering a bunt with anyone other than a pitcher in a NL game is a fireable offense in 2021 MLB.

We have about 20 years of data behind the run expectancy matrix. Its very existence has destroyed the argument behind bunting.

You don't need data to know it's bad baseball. However, there's a difference in eras. There was a time where not only did guys get the bunt down, they could get it down in a specific spot where the odds of reaching safely were greater. Yes, the goal was to advance the runners, but guys like Don Buford were looking for a hit or to get on by error. Thinking managers of yesteryear were just a bunch of dumbasses who had no common sense is a bit of a mischaracterization.


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:lol: Table setting. :lol: :lol:

A pitcher who have not yet recorded an out against the White Sox all season was on the mound. The table was set. Larussa yanked tablecloth away and the dishes and everything went flying. That was thier best chance to score, and the manager killed the rally.

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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa

It was not a good call. Research baseball plz.


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:lol: Table setting. :lol: :lol:

A pitcher who have not yet recorded an out against the White Sox all season was on the mound. The table was set. Larussa yanked tablecloth away and the dishes and everything went flying. That was thier best chance to score, and the manager killed the rally.


Bumper Humper you were an xx chromosome during the time I was walking to White Sox games. The vast majority of managers in the history of the game would have made the exact same call.

You, Benny Barstool and a few others have an agenda where LaRussa is concerned. Team loses its because of him. If they win its in spite of him. Why anyone takes your Sox thoughts seriously after you completely made an ass of yourself on Tim Anderson is beyond me but their choice.

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Guy should have still been able to execute the damn bunt. He is a slap hitting infielder and should know how to execute a bunt

He should have never bunted there.


It was a good call. Guy is a .200 hitter. You really have confidence that he was going to get a hit? Plus you have Much better hitters to follow. Get him over and then let Anderson and Co. Get him in. He didn't execute that's on him. Not LaRussa

It was not a good call. Research baseball plz.


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Tim Anderson has nothing to do with the manager making poor decisions. I don't care if a manager is white black purple Asian or a woman. I have an agenda against the manager making bad decisions. That's all. Yesterday was a bad decision. I don't care how long you been going to Sox games, you're too stupid to realize that yesterday was a poor decision.

And unlike you, I'm able to admit I was wrong. I've eaten Crow on here MANY times regarding Tim Anderson. You just move the goalposts and change the argument because you can't admit you're wrong. Here's a hint, you're wrong all the time.

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Tim Anderson has nothing to do with the manager making poor decisions. I don't care if a manager is white black purple Asian or a woman. I have an agenda against the manager making bad decisions. That's all. Yesterday was a bad decision. I don't care how long you been going to Sox games, you're too stupid to realize that yesterday was a poor decision.

And unlike you, I'm able to admit I was wrong. I've eaten Crow on here MANY times regarding Tim Anderson. You just move the goalposts and change the argument because you can't admit you're wrong. Here's a hint, you're wrong all the time.


The "haven't admitted wrong" is message board claptrap. You have been wrong at least 3 times in the past 2 days alone (while chasing me around and have admitted nothing) and there is no doubt that if Keyser were still here you'd never admit it to him. You are a damn joke and one of this joints biggest problems. And as far as " intelligence" goes I have yet to see one person that regards your simple minded ass as a "bright" guy.

You matriculate around here cultivating off site relationships in the hope that people won't say what they really want to say about your sorry ass.

As far as LaRussa goes no one brought up his race other than you. You don't want him to manage the team. Fine we get it but that doesn't mean he is doing a terrible job. His team is in first place,

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