“If you compare him and I and put our numbers back to back, you would probably have a hard time figuring out who is who, honestly — other than wins and losses,” Sale told CSN Chicago. “Those are things you really can’t control.”

Winning a baseball game isn't an individual achievement.

Great read. Some of those stats are laughable. I know the Sox offense doesn't intentionally try not to score runs but they really suck.

If you compared the SAT scores of Bill Gates and me you would have a hard time figuring out who was who, honestly.

Ram Academics

Doesn't the other team's offense just suck in Quintana's games?

WE'RE FROM GORDON...

He has something to do with that. I don't think you can look at some of the statistics in that article and not think he's gotten a raw deal. That includes his contract too.

There is usually at least some merit in a pitcher's W-L record. So far during his career, Quintana seems to be the mother of all outliers in that regard. He is not an ace though. One of the better #2 guys in the game for sure, but not an ace.

when it really came down to it he was just kind of mediocre. Like Jose Quintana.

You get a pass on this one because you grew up listening to the Del-Vikings.

Gordon Tech, Weber, Mendel.....very sad.

a rose by any other name

at least you aren't St. George

I don't believe that either. If he really were a top number two guy the White Sox would be better than they are. It's like that Brian Kenny guy deemed that W/L record was meaningless and a generation of fans blindly followed until it's just become conventional wisdom with people making excuses for the atrociousness of guys like Shelby Miller.

W/L record is a measure of how a guy competed. No other pitching stat illustrates that was well. Regardless of where I'm having this argument and with whom I'm having it, it always comes down to me asking for the good or near great pitcher who has more than 200 career starts with a losing record. And that guy just doesn't exist. I know my baseball history. About the best you will be able to come up with is Joel Horlen who is a game under .500 with a lot of his other numbers looking really good. In fact, he looks similar to Quintana. But if you really know who Horlen was, where his team played, etc., you know that his numbers look so good because he pitched most of his games in places that were tombs for hitters and when it really came down to it he was just kind of mediocre. Like Jose Quintana.

When you stubbornly refuse to look at anything else beyond wins and losses and compare him to Shelby Miller of course you won't change your mind. I'm not sure how any objective person can read that article and say that Quintana sucks or is at best mediocre.

A "historically aberrant lack of wins"

https://theringer.com/jose-quintana-chicago-white-sox-pitcher-ace-776d1f23319f#.wsxjxbj9u

Excellent article.

“If you compare him and I and put our numbers back to back, you would probably have a hard time figuring out who is who, honestly — other than wins and losses,” Sale told CSN Chicago. “Those are things you really can’t control.”

Kirkwood beat me to it.

You don't think the second best pitcher in baseball knows about pitching?

You don't think the second best pitcher in baseball knows about pitching?

Chris Sale and Jose Quintana aren't the other pitcher nor do they impact their own team's offense. There are 18 half innings. They can only control 9 of those. They have absolutely nothing to do with the other 9.

Keith Law was on 1000 yesterday, and he said that the Cubs would trade Schwarber for Quintana "in a heartbeat". Quintana is really good. Hope the rest of the team steps up around him.