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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How great is Jose Quintana |
Poll works just fine |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Great at losing and no decisions. 41 wins in 138 starts. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
denisdman wrote: Great at losing and no decisions. 41 wins in 138 starts. #ThanksSoxOffense |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
denisdman wrote: Great at losing and no decisions. 41 wins in 138 starts. This guy gets it. Jorr, please prune the post above mine and lock the thread. Thank you. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Maybe it only works for admins. If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Maybe it only works for admins. If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there. I'll have to play around with it later. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Nas wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Maybe it only works for admins. If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there. I'll have to play around with it later. Gross. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Nas wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Maybe it only works for admins. If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there. I'll have to play around with it later. During football season because, "one hand on the remote and the other on yourself". |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
denisdman wrote: Nas wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Maybe it only works for admins. If I click "New Topic" the option to create a poll isn't there. I'll have to play around with it later. During football season because, "one hand on the remote and the other on yourself". I train year round. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
You forgot to add "Mediocre" to your poll. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: You forgot to add "Mediocre" to your poll. I will once you can list all the pitchers with winning records that have the least amount of run support in baseball or have been in the bottom 7 every year of their careers. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: You forgot to add "Mediocre" to your poll. I will once you can list all the pitchers with winning records that have the least amount of run support in baseball or have been in the bottom 7 every year of their careers. Here is how the pitchers with the worst RS/9 shape up in W, L and FIP-:  For comparison, here is how the pitchers with the best RS/9 do in the same categories:  Interesting stuff. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
IMU wrote: A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. #Truth |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
IMU wrote: A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. Plot ERA's for starters and see how it comes out.....probably similar results. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
denisdman wrote: IMU wrote: A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. Plot ERA's for starters and see how it comes out.....probably similar results. Not for Quintana |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Nas wrote: IMU wrote: A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. #Truth  No, thats as dumb as saying W/L is all that matters. Possibly dumber. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
IMU wrote: A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. If that were actually the case wouldn't there be a losing pitcher better than Matt Cain somewhere in baseball history? |
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| Author: | IMU [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Pitchers that had a combined 99.2 FIP- (just slightly better than average) were 78-127. Their teams provide 3.43 run support. Pitchers that had a combined 93.5 FIP- (slightly better than slightly better than average) were 150-55. Their teams provide 6.70 run support. There are three sets of statistics here. Two of them seem to be connected heavily. One seems to not move much. Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: IMU wrote: A reasonable person could conclude that Pitcher W/L has almost nothing to do with actual pitcher performance. If that were actually the case wouldn't there be a losing pitcher better than Matt Cain somewhere in baseball history? Besides Jose Quintana you mean? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
IMU wrote: Pitchers that had a combined 99.2 FIP- (just slightly better than average) were 78-127. Their teams provide 3.43 run support. Pitchers that had a combined 93.5 FIP- (slightly better than slightly better than average) were 150-55. Their teams provide 6.70 run support. There are three sets of statistics here. Two of them seem to be connected heavily. One seems to not move much. This is sleight of hand using a 20 game sample. I don't believe there is a pitcher in big league history who got 6.7 runs of "support" over his career. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Guys, please stop. You're hurting Darkside's feelings. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: This is sleight of hand using a 20 game sample. I don't believe there is a pitcher in big league history who got 6.7 run of "support" over his career. Since 2000, here are the top- and bottom-15 in RS/9 for their careers, with the same stats as before, and a few more for context (min. 500 IP): Worst:  Best: 
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
The top 3 guys were relivers for somewhat long stretches during thier career. Oliver Starts 229, games pitched 766 Hermanson Starts 180, games pitched 357 Boomer Starts 489, games pitched 660 |
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
I would love to have him on the Cubs. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Peoria Matt wrote: I would love to have him on the Cubs. Sox would take Schwarber and Heyward. Fucking dopes. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Peoria Matt wrote: I would love to have him on the Cubs. I would also love to have him on the Cubs. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
FavreFan wrote: Guys, please stop. You're hurting Darkside's feelings. Keep it up sunny Jim, and I'll send a love letter in your name to Annie. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
There's no reason a truly good pitcher who gets 3.6-4 runs in support should have a losing record. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
KDdidit wrote: There's no reason a truly good pitcher who gets 3.6-4 runs in support should have a losing record. Huh? |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How great is Jose Quintana |
Nas wrote: KDdidit wrote: There's no reason a truly good pitcher who gets 3.6-4 runs in support should have a losing record. Huh? Oh yeah, the qualifier was "great." Even worse. |
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