Terry's Peeps wrote:
It's a recent change in Seattle.
I get the feeling the IRS is pissed that guys making 25k a year may be not reporting their tips fully.
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:01 pm ] |
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Len Bernstein touched on this story during the game. Are they on the attendants side here? White Sox players recently protested Mariners' clubhouse dues policy They left Seattle on July 20 without paying because the M's keep a portion of the money. By Ken Rosenthal Jul 24, 2016 at 3:55p ET Chris Sale's destruction of throwback jerseys on Saturday was not the only recent act of vehement protest involving the Chicago White Sox. The White Sox players left Seattle on July 20 without paying clubhouse dues and tips, objecting to a new Mariners policy that redirects 60 percent of the dues into an account managed by the team, according to major-league sources. Mariners general manager Jerry Dipoto confirmed that the White Sox were the first club to refuse payment to Seattle's visiting clubhouse manager, Jeff Bopp. However, this is not an issue driven only by the White Sox's players. Dipoto acknowledged that other clubs have reacted with "curiosity" to the Mariners' policy, and another team, the San Francisco Giants, quickly reversed an adjustment to its own procedures last season when visiting players complained. The players' association, seeking uniformity in clubhouse protocols -- as well as safeguards against management intrusion into the clubhouse space -- has raised the issues in collective bargaining, sources said. The current labor agreement expires Dec. 1. Clubhouse attendants long have been part of baseball's hidden fabric, serving players' various needs. The players, in turn, consider "clubbies" an extension of the player fraternity and often tip them generously. The White Sox players withheld their money because Mariners management unilaterally entered a financial relationship that historically has existed between only players and "clubbies," sources said. Strong reactions by White Sox players to perceived injustices are nothing new, as Sale's eruption over throwback jerseys and subsequent five-game suspension by the team again demonstrated. During spring training, Sale confronted executive vice president Ken Williams and criticized him publicly after the team refused to allow first baseman Adam LaRoche's son, Drake, to remain a consistent presence with the club. Other players also were upset, and LaRoche retired over the decision, forfeiting his $13 million salary. The dispute between the White Sox players and Mariners management fits the recent pattern. A group of players, including Sale and player representative Adam Eaton, met with Mariners assistant general manager Jeff Kingston during the team's recent visit to Seattle, expressing concern that the majority of their dues were going to the team and not directly to Bopp. The Mariners revised their policy last offseason before hiring Bopp to fill their opening for a visiting clubhouse manager. "Jeff walked them through the detail of what we're doing," Dipoto said. "There has been some curiosity with other teams in the league, but nobody reacted the way the White Sox did. The fact that they decided to leave town without paying, clearly it's their choice. They don't have to. There's no rule that says you must." Sale and Eaton, through their agents, declined comment. Most teams allow the visiting clubhouse manager to handle dues as well as individual tips. The clubhouse manager uses the money to purchase food and other items for the players and redistributes a percentage of the tips to his assistants. The Mariners' policy allows Bopp to receive 40 percent of the dues plus all of the tips, in addition to his salary from the club, Dipoto said. The other 60 percent of the dues helps pay for food and the salaries of clubhouse assistants. Players typically pay $50 a day in dues when on the road and tip above that. Dipoto said that the Mariners' portion does not cover the team's costs and that the club implemented the policy in part because it wanted to manage the hours of underage employees and their overtime. The Giants, for different reasons, had a run-in with visiting players early last season after they hired a new visiting clubhouse manager, Abe Silvestri, who had previously been director of baseball operations at Washington State. Silvestri needed to move his family to San Francisco, so the Giants gave him a significant increase in salary, GM Bobby Evans said. In exchange, the club required Silvestri to direct all of the tip money to his staff. Evans changed that stipulation early in the season, after the Giants' first home series against the Rockies. "Visiting players didn't give an explanation to Abe why they weren't paying dues," Evans said. "After the fact, we were given a heads-up from other teams coming in. So, we made him tip-eligible." "The players didn't fully understand. We were really trying to help make the experience even better for the players, create a deeper level of accountability and process so they would be more assured of getting their money's worth." Sounds simple, but players do not always see it that way. To be continued in collective bargaining. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:04 pm ] |
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Yes they didn't like the cut going straight to the club rather than the clubhouse manager upfront. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:08 pm ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Yes they didn't like the cut going straight to the club rather than the clubhouse manager upfront. Cool. Then they need to stay the fuck out of visiting clubs business. This shit been going on since time immemorial and now it's a big deal? |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:09 pm ] |
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It's a recent change in Seattle. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:11 pm ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: It's a recent change in Seattle. I get the feeling the IRS is pissed that guys making 25k a year may be not reporting their tips fully.
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:29 pm ] |
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 What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:32 pm ] |
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Darkside wrote: :lol: What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. Maybe they tipped the guy instead of paying the dues. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:36 pm ] |
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Yeah they gave money to the attendants instead of the clubhouse manager. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:51 pm ] |
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Darkside wrote: :lol: What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. white sox are right. the clubhouse guys get paid shit and rely on getting reimbursed and tips. shitty policy for the mariners to do UNLESS the money being paid to mariners is routed for increased clubhouse personnel wages. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:08 pm ] |
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Kirkwood wrote: Darkside wrote: :lol: What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. white sox are right. the clubhouse guys get paid shit and rely on getting reimbursed and tips. shitty policy for the mariners to do UNLESS the money being paid to mariners is routed for increased clubhouse personnel wages. worried about increased clubhouse personnel wages when Cano makes what 25 million per?
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:16 pm ] |
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I'm with the Sox on this one. System was fine before. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:26 pm ] |
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Good for the White Sox. Dan will probably slurp the taint of Mariners management extolling the virtues of those very smart guys and rip those dumb Sox players tomorrow. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:27 pm ] |
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Yup. Sounds like the Sox are on the right side of history here. Good for them. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:34 am ] |
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Darkside wrote: :lol: What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. It's official. Darkside hates the sox if he thinks they are wrong even here. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:54 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Darkside wrote: :lol: What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. It's official. Darkside hates the sox if he thinks they are wrong even here. Either that or he hates the working man. |
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| Author: | America [ Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:17 am ] |
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It's because this group of losers has done nothing but fail but are constantly lauded by an organization that can't get over how smart they were to extend them. Sale and Eaton in particular seem way too absorbed in their own personal success and pretty indifferent to teammates doing well. It doesn't help that the manager spends most of the day sleeping. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:23 am ] |
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Agree with the White Sox. No need to put some extra layer between big guys throwing their loose change the little guys' way. I'd like to think they went around to all the peons and gave them the old Rodney Dangerfield 'keep it fair, keep it fair' routine so that they still got their money, albeit under the table. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:25 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Darkside wrote: :lol: What a fucking joke. Worry about your onfield production instead of whining about stupid shit like this. What a waste of energy. No wonder they look so distracted all the time, spending their time worrying about this dumb shit. So... they just penalized a poor working guy because his company is a bit shitty. Nice guys. It's official. Darkside hates the sox if he thinks they are wrong even here. Either that or he hates the working man. Complains when management pays him time and half to work week ends. Doesn't care when when other workers have to work week ends and management takes half their pay. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:47 am ] |
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While I agree with the Sox on this one, this is the last thing they need to worry about. Try focusing on baseball. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:49 am ] |
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Seems like when they focus on baseball they suck. Focus on anything else. Cut up a jersey. Kill a cat. Something. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:04 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Seems like when they focus on baseball they suck. Focus on anything else. Cut up a jersey. Kill a cat. Something. Almost isn't it?
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:58 pm ] |
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The Sox have company. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chic ... est-072616 |
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