The smart play for the Sox is to hold onto all of the players you have currently on the roster. I think the team is ready to go on a run....
Couldn't keep it up.
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Fire Hahn |
I've seen enough. I don't care if he is a puppet or not. the most recent offense is Shields being on this team. I didn't like acquiring him but I could see the logic of buying low and getting a guy for little with contract relief that made him much more attractive. They shined up that old car, they added granite countertops to that kitchen...whatever value added analogy you would like to make, they made that guy look like an MLB pitcher again before the break. Take your profit and run with that shit. Instead, he decides to be a greedy investor. I'm done with him and everyone both below him and above him on the organizational chart. I don't have hope untouchables will be removed but this kind of general managing cannot continue. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
good dolphin wrote: I've seen enough. I don't care if he is a puppet or not. the most recent offense is Shields being on this team. I didn't like acquiring him but I could see the logic of buying low and getting a guy for little with contract relief that made him much more attractive. They shined up that old car, they added granite countertops to that kitchen...whatever value added analogy you would like to make, they made that guy look like an MLB pitcher again before the break. Take your profit and run with that shit. Instead, he decides to be a greedy investor. I'm done with him and everyone both below him and above him on the organizational chart. I don't have hope untouchables will be removed but this kind of general managing cannot continue. I don't believe Shields is as easy to move as you think. They should have been able to get rid of Robertson though. |
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| Author: | Minooka Meatball [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Hahn's not in charge; Kenny has said as much recently. Fire Kenny, THEN fire Hahn, then have Jerry retire and stay out of White Sox business. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:07 pm ] |
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hahn will excuse this away as just following the owner's direction to win now. he's fine, just like kenny is fine. both reinsdorf owned teams are a disaster right now |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
The smart play for the Sox is to hold onto all of the players you have currently on the roster. I think the team is ready to go on a run.... Couldn't keep it up. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
I have trouble blaming Hahn because he is hamstrung by payroll limitations and by ownership mandates to try and win now. We're seeing the same BS with the Bulls, which makes me think this is mainly a Chairman problem. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Phil McCracken wrote: Couldn't keep it up. They have pills for that. |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Phil McCracken wrote: Couldn't keep it up. They have pills for that. I will be firing footballs through tire swings in no time.
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Where have I heard this before..... |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
You cant say fire Hahn and be OK with keeping Kenny Williams around. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Frank Coztansa wrote: You cant say fire Hahn and be OK with keeping Kenny Williams around. That maybe the smartest thing you have said here Frank. Dead on. It matters not who is in Hahn's seat if Kenny is still around. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Quit on the White Sox and on baseball in general. You can come back in 5-10 years. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Quit on the White Sox and on baseball in general. You can come back in 5-10 years. I'll just follow little league travel teams around the country |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: I've seen enough. I don't care if he is a puppet or not. the most recent offense is Shields being on this team. I didn't like acquiring him but I could see the logic of buying low and getting a guy for little with contract relief that made him much more attractive. They shined up that old car, they added granite countertops to that kitchen...whatever value added analogy you would like to make, they made that guy look like an MLB pitcher again before the break. Take your profit and run with that shit. Instead, he decides to be a greedy investor. I'm done with him and everyone both below him and above him on the organizational chart. I don't have hope untouchables will be removed but this kind of general managing cannot continue. I don't believe Shields is as easy to move as you think. They should have been able to get rid of Robertson though. Shields at sub $10 million per and pitching like his old self was movable for no less than the price they paid to get him. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Frank Coztansa wrote: You cant say fire Hahn and be OK with keeping Kenny Williams around. paragraph three is only two sentences |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:36 pm ] |
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Call this guy: 
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: I've seen enough. I don't care if he is a puppet or not. the most recent offense is Shields being on this team. I didn't like acquiring him but I could see the logic of buying low and getting a guy for little with contract relief that made him much more attractive. They shined up that old car, they added granite countertops to that kitchen...whatever value added analogy you would like to make, they made that guy look like an MLB pitcher again before the break. Take your profit and run with that shit. Instead, he decides to be a greedy investor. I'm done with him and everyone both below him and above him on the organizational chart. I don't have hope untouchables will be removed but this kind of general managing cannot continue. I don't believe Shields is as easy to move as you think. They should have been able to get rid of Robertson though. Shields at sub $10 million per and pitching like his old self was movable for no less than the price they paid to get him. Obviously not. They couldn't trade him to themselves. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: I've seen enough. I don't care if he is a puppet or not. the most recent offense is Shields being on this team. I didn't like acquiring him but I could see the logic of buying low and getting a guy for little with contract relief that made him much more attractive. They shined up that old car, they added granite countertops to that kitchen...whatever value added analogy you would like to make, they made that guy look like an MLB pitcher again before the break. Take your profit and run with that shit. Instead, he decides to be a greedy investor. I'm done with him and everyone both below him and above him on the organizational chart. I don't have hope untouchables will be removed but this kind of general managing cannot continue. I don't believe Shields is as easy to move as you think. They should have been able to get rid of Robertson though. Shields at sub $10 million per and pitching like his old self was movable for no less than the price they paid to get him. Obviously not. They couldn't trade him to themselves. I don't think they tried. I think they fooled themselves into believing he was rejuvenated under the great Don Cooper |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
No one wanted Shields. He was clearly on a Latos-like run. If we could tell he was on a run of good luck then every team's nerds knew 3 weeks before us. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
good dolphin wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: You cant say fire Hahn and be OK with keeping Kenny Williams around. paragraph three is only two sentences He also refuses to put *any* blame on Ventura. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Kirkwood wrote: No one wanted Shields. He was clearly on a Latos-like run. If we could tell he was on a run of good luck then every team's nerds knew 3 weeks before us. There was a market for him when he was on a bad run |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Rollins, Shields, and the LaRoche signing are all solid examples that Kenny still has say in personnel. I don't know if Hahn is any good or not...probably not, but we'll never know with Kenny still there. I'm fine with firing both of them. |
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| Author: | America [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
I would try to keep Herm Schneider and Nick Hostetler if at all possible. Particularly the latter, I have a huge amount of confidence in Hostetler's drafting abilities. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:34 pm ] |
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RFDC wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: You cant say fire Hahn and be OK with keeping Kenny Williams around. That maybe the smartest thing you have said here Frank. Dead on. It matters not who is in Hahn's seat if Kenny is still around. Kenny won and was competitive and Hahn hasn't been. Excuse after excuse is made for him. Similar to the Bulls I would rather see his superior do the job. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
hahn doesn't take a piss without kenny holding his dick. GAY! |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
White Sox optioned RHP Carson Fulmer to Triple-A Charlotte They send him down now?? Are they going to bring him back in 2 weeks when the rosters expand? Is he going to start or is he staying in the bullpen? Why was he even up in the first place? Do they have a fucking clue what they're doing? |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Keyser Soze wrote: Do they have a fucking clue what they're doing? They can only do so much man. You are going to get a Guinness Book of World Record attempt for dogs. What more do you want? Geeze |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
Chill out, Keyser. They are sending him down so he can stretch out as a starter to get 3 or 4 starts with the Sox in Sept. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/ ... fter-2016/ "By the time we make our first or second transaction, publicly it will be fairly clear as to our direction," said Hahn during a 15-minute pregame meeting with the media before Thursday's 7-6 win over the Mariners. "While we aren't going to say, 'Next on our list is this,' it will be obvious what we're trying to accomplish. "We have a sense of what we want to do, but we have 25 guys in there trying to win a ballgame tonight. If I were to say we're going to do a full rebuild, that's disrespectful to what they're trying to accomplish. "To the other extreme, if I were to say we're going to fight and go for it and plug the holes it begs the question, 'Where are the holes?' and that's disrespectful to the guys in the clubhouse," Hahn said. "It's just not the time to be laying out offseason plans. We're working on it, exploring a lot of angles internally trying to come up with priorities so we can hit the ground running when the time is appropriate." The club consistently has shied away from the full rebuild mode, choosing instead to revamp and strengthen the core since 2013 while also trying to compete in '15 and '16 in focusing on recent activity. The White Sox have not reached the playoffs since '08, and coming off a second straight disappointing season, it has become apparent that plan isn't working. In Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Adam Eaton and Jose Abreu, to name a few standouts, the White Sox have controllable pieces who still could be built around, but also could turn around a franchise with the right return in a major deal. Hahn reiterated Thursday that the White Sox are open to anything. "There comes a point where there is a level of frustration with the way things have played out over the last couple of years," Hahn said. "There are different approaches and again, I'm not saying [a rebuild] is the route we're going to go. "But I assure you there is absolute openness from [White Sox chairman] Jerry [Reinsdorf], [executive vice president] Kenny [Williams], myself. Everyone in that front office is looking for the best path to get us on an extended period of success, even if that involves a short-term step back." Reports of Trade Deadline discord between Williams and Hahn in regard to the direction of the team not only were exaggerated but untrue, per Hahn. "The frustrating thing is it seems every few months we need to have this same conversation," Hahn said. "The fact of the matter is I have no idea where an unnamed random report of any discord at the Deadline came from. "It's simply untrue. There was no trade or direction of whatever it was described as vetoed, so to speak, at the Deadline. We are of a similar mindset as to how best to proceed. We've had a number of conversations, both Kenny and I as well as Kenny, Jerry and I, about the best way to approach the offseason and what we want to accomplish." |
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| Author: | IMU [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Hahn |
That sounds like a 100% rebuild. Good. The right decision will be made. White Sox fans... the first year hurts the most. After that, you'll start seeing progress throughout the minor leagues... and you'll be excited in those improvement and developments. It will help bridge the 2-3 seasons it takes to become contenders. |
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