1.) Zack Collins
2.) Zack Burdi
3.) Carson Fulmer
4.) Spencer Adams
5.) Alec Hansen
6.) Jordan Stephens
7.) Trey Michalczewski
8.) Jameson Fisher
9.) Alex Call
10.) Jake Peter

That's one sad, sad sight.

MANY scouts predict Collins will end up as a DH.

Unless this guy is Bryce Harper or Joe Mauer with the bat, why the fuck are you drafting a DH?!?

Because you desperately need young guys who can control the strike zone.

Sox fans would complain if the Sox came out of a draft with Ruth and Gehrig. You complain when they draft "athletes", Kenny guys who have every tool except the most important one. And when they finally draft an actual baseball player, a guy who shows clear ability to get on base at a .350+ clip, you're angry about that.

If Collins can't catch, he'll likely end up at first base. It doesn't matter where he plays. He just needs to get on base.

I don't complain about everything. They have 3 nice pitchers, and I am eager to see what Fullmer does. So, the attention should be shifted to hitting and a closer. They drafted what looks like a closer with the 2nd 1st rd pick. As for Collins, if he can get on base, fine. You just limit yourself so much buy drafting a guy that has 1 position to play. If he can play 1st, works for me.

Do not draft the following:

DH
Flamethrowers that can not command the strikezone
Athletes
Anyone that is related to Kenny

Nobody drafts a DH. But sometimes it just works out that way. Do you think the Cubs are unhappy with the Schwarber draft?

Maybe this isn't the right thread but it got me thinking...

The White Sox don't have Theo Epstein - I get that. However, why can't we get the "next" Theo?

Can't we find the next up and coming executive building a solid resume to overhaul the Sox organization?

I realize it would take a complete change in philosophy at the top but the results would certainly be welcomed.

So, who is the next Theo out there?

He caught a little, played a little OF. I understand Schwarber is 23, but at this moment, you can not compare the 2.

IMO, I think that is Hahn. I think Kenny/Jerry limit him.

Maybe this isn't the right thread but it got me thinking...

The White Sox don't have Theo Epstein - I get that. However, why can't we get the "next" Theo?

Can't we find the next up and coming executive building a solid resume to overhaul the Sox organization?

I realize it would take a complete change in philosophy at the top but the results would certainly be welcomed.

So, who is the next Theo out there?

I digress - not my intention to derail thread but lately, it has been painfully obvious that drafting is a major factor for any team's future.

Of course you can compare the two. They were both drafted based on similar abilities. If you're suggesting that Collins can't play every defensive position at least as well as Schwarber, I'm gonna guess you're mistaken. But that isn't why Schwarber is a big league baseball player and if Collins makes it, it's not gonna be because of his defense either.

I actually like the idea that he is already in the system. He sees what is wrong and what is right. Knowing what/who needs immediate attention and so on. I am not a KW fan. I think he is one of the major roadblocks in the road to progress. I digress - not my intention to derail thread but lately, it has been painfully obvious that drafting is a major factor for any team's future.

You can not. One has done it at A ball, the other has at the Major League level in the WS. If Collins comes up and replicates his numbers, then you can compare.

You can not. One has done it at A ball, the other has at the Major League level in the WS. If Collins comes up and replicates his numbers, then you can compare.

Of course, one guy is a couple years ahead of the other. I'm not gonna predict that Collins will have a 130 OPS+ in his first 240 at-bats. But 240 at-bats isn't much of a sample. I also don't think it's outlandish to think Collins might hit better than .246 in his first 240 at-bats. But sure. Schwarber has made it to a place Collins is trying to get to. I'm not gonna predict that Collins has a better career than Adam LaRoche. But I wouldn't predict that Schwarber will have a better career than Mike Napoli either.

Benintendi would've been the perfect draft pick for the White Sox. A polished nearly complete (developmentally) position player.

So, who is the next Theo out there?

Maybe this isn't the right thread but it got me thinking...

The White Sox don't have Theo Epstein - I get that. However, why can't we get the "next" Theo?

Can't we find the next up and coming executive building a solid resume to overhaul the Sox organization?

I realize it would take a complete change in philosophy at the top but the results would certainly be welcomed.

So, who is the next Theo out there?

I think we can agree to disagree about the comparison.


Do I think Collins can hit better, yes. But, he could hit worse. Beckham would be a nice comparison, was suppose to be a double machine, and well.... I like the OBP, but not liking the SOs he showed. Once again, this is in A ball. Would like to see him do this is AA, when the pitching is.

IMU

Here's the thing though, and it's something that Epstein understands that I'm not sure the White Sox have figured out, strikezone control is something that transcends the levels of baseball. If a batter can lay off pitches and take walks in A ball, he's gonna be able to do it in the big leagues. The same thing can't be said for hitting. I have no clue if Collins will be able to hit big league pitching, but I'm fairly confident he can recognize a strike at any level. And that is certainly going to help him to hit in the big leagues.

The Sox have a history of believing the opposite. As if a guy like Tim Anderson will be able to "develop" and suddenly take walks in the big leagues when he couldn't take them in high school. I don't like your chances with that philosophy.

like Einstein sitting in the patent office

I get it.

The Kenny Williams philosophy was/is simple. Hit HomeRuns!

Clashed with Ozzie, who wanted to play NL ball
Clashes with Hahn, who pretty much wants to rebuild the minor leagues.