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Garcia as the CF? Yikes :shock:

Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

There's admitting that you'll have a losing season, then there is insulting the game of baseball.

The dark side of it is that if Moncada is not fantastic almost from the beginning, the entire house of cards falls.

Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

There's admitting that you'll have a losing season, then there is insulting the game of baseball.

RFDC wrote:

Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

Well, I can say for an almost certainty he will not be there on day 1. That is OK.

I think all of these guys should spend time in the minors for full team evaluation no matter what they do in spring training.

Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

The true dark side of the rebuild is what if these prospects are mostly busters? Sox will be bottom dwellers for years.

I thought the dark side of the rebuild was JoeDaPaver trying to steal $ by not doing the Lakemoor Estates driveway?

Looked this Tilson guy up. Very underwhelming. Oh well

good dolphin wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

That's true. The Sox can call him up in June and he'll still be recognized as the best 3rd baseman in Chicago by mid-July.

good dolphin wrote:

The dark side of it is that if Moncada is not fantastic almost from the beginning, the entire house of cards falls.

Agreed.

Moncada should be the opening day starter but it sounds like he won't be like gd said.

It's all about control. None of these guys will sniff the major leagues next year. Even Moncada.

Can't wait to see the pile of trash they trot out there next year.

The true dark side of the rebuild is what if these prospects are mostly busters? Sox will be bottom dwellers for years.

Gloopan Kuratz wrote:

It's all about control. None of these guys will sniff the major leagues next year. Even Moncada.

Can't wait to see the pile of trash they trot out there next year.

That's not true. Barring injury, Giolito, Lopez, and Moncada will all play in the big leagues this season. Giolito and/or Lopez might be in the rotation on opening day.

RFDC wrote:

Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

Author:	America [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:58 am ]
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There's admitting that you'll have a losing season, then there is insulting the game of baseball.

Author:	RFDC [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:03 am ]
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Garcia as the CF? Yikes

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:06 am ]
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No he isn't. He can barely stumble around RF. This is not the team that is going to start in April.

Author:	Rod [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:07 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Garcia as the CF? Yikes That's never going to happen. Tilson would be the centerfielder on that team. Whichever "expert" created that depth chart should be laughed off the Internet. Anyway, I would guess the Sox aren't done making moves and the team they come out of Spring with will look different than that one. Maybe worse.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:25 am ]
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Looked this Tilson guy up. Very underwhelming. Oh well

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Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:31 am ]
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The dark side of it is that if Moncada is not fantastic almost from the beginning, the entire house of cards falls.

Author:	RFDC [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:32 am ]
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Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:36 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do. Well, I can say for an almost certainty he will not be there on day 1. That is OK. I think all of these guys should spend time in the minors for full team evaluation no matter what they do in spring training.

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:37 am ]
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America wrote: There's admitting that you'll have a losing season, then there is insulting the game of baseball. You know full well Frazier, Quintana, Robertson, and possibly more will be gone before Spring Training. Which somehow makes the graphic worse.

Author:	FavreFan [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:39 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: The dark side of it is that if Moncada is not fantastic almost from the beginning, the entire house of cards falls. Agreed. Moncada should be the opening day starter but it sounds like he won't be like gd said.

Author:	Rod [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:09 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do. I don't think he is considered quite MLB ready.

Author:	WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:22 am ]
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America wrote: There's admitting that you'll have a losing season, then there is insulting the game of baseball. You didn't think next year was going to be a train wreck? Also, they are one of about 5 other teams trying this. Baseball doesn't want tanking then it needs to change the way draft picks are awarded.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:32 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: RFDC wrote: Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do. Well, I can say for an almost certainty he will not be there on day 1. That is OK. I think all of these guys should spend time in the minors for full team evaluation no matter what they do in spring training. That's true. The Sox can call him up in June and he'll still be recognized as the best 3rd baseman in Chicago by mid-July.

Author:	Gloopan Kuratz [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:44 am ]
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The true dark side of the rebuild is what if these prospects are mostly busters? Sox will be bottom dwellers for years.

Author:	America [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:00 am ]
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Giolito is nowhere near a full scale reclamation project but he will require a good bit of work. The Nationals suck at developing pitchers and keeping them healthy (See: Ross, Strasburg), and I've think they've done some damage to Giolito. Hopefully nothing that cannot be corrected, but correcting it will take time. I wouldn't expect him until July, early returns from Charlotte may be really ugly as he unlearns all the Nationals taught him. There also could be imminent injuries brought on by the Nationals bungling too that need to be addressed. Rizzo was really keen on dumping Giolito, I'm sure there's a reason why beyond the underwhelming debut. Lopez and Moncada will be up sooner, probably around Memorial Day. Sox dont need to rush anyone along, the only advantage to pushing Moncada into the starting lineup is April is get him acclimated (or at least acquainted) with the unique climate of Chicago.

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Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:48 am ]
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RFDC wrote: Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do. Hahn even said shortly after the trade that he expects Moncada to begin the 2017 season at AAA. Come on guys, this process cannot be and should not be rushed. You don't want to screw up a player by rushing him up the ladder. Embrace the process and realize it will take 3-4 years or more IF IT IS DONE RIGHT AND THEY GOT THE RIGHT PLAYERS.

Author:	spmack [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:51 am ]
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I thought the dark side of the rebuild was JoeDaPaver trying to steal $ by not doing the Lakemoor Estates driveway?

Author:	Darkside [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:57 am ]
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spmack wrote: I thought the dark side of the rebuild was JoeDaPaver trying to steal $ by not doing the Lakemoor Estates driveway? You fuck off.

Author:	Seacrest [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:57 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: Looked this Tilson guy up. Very underwhelming. Oh well He was on the roster for the Sox last year and was hurt playing CF.

Author:	Douchebag [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:01 am ]
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Tall Midget wrote: good dolphin wrote: RFDC wrote: Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do. Well, I can say for an almost certainty he will not be there on day 1. That is OK. I think all of these guys should spend time in the minors for full team evaluation no matter what they do in spring training. That's true. The Sox can call him up in June and he'll still be recognized as the best 3rd baseman in Chicago by mid-July. And then he'll be Gordon Beckham by mid-August.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:31 am ]
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FavreFan wrote: good dolphin wrote: The dark side of it is that if Moncada is not fantastic almost from the beginning, the entire house of cards falls. Agreed. Moncada should be the opening day starter but it sounds like he won't be like gd said. Even if he has a great spring training, he should begin the season at AAA if for no other reason than to delay his service time and ensure another season of team control. They are not winning anything meaningful for a few years, so whether or not he's the best candidate for a position this spring or not, he should begin 2017 at AAA.

Author:	Gloopan Kuratz [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:35 am ]
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It's all about control. None of these guys will sniff the major leagues next year. Even Moncada. Can't wait to see the pile of trash they trot out there next year.

Author:	Rod [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:40 am ]
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote: It's all about control. None of these guys will sniff the major leagues next year. Even Moncada. Can't wait to see the pile of trash they trot out there next year. That's not true. Barring injury, Giolito, Lopez, and Moncada will all play in the big leagues this season. Giolito and/or Lopez might be in the rotation on opening day.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:49 am ]
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I would love to see Davidson make an MLB player of himself in 2017.

Author:	Don Tiny [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:13 am ]
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Gloopan Kuratz wrote: The true dark side of the rebuild is what if these prospects are mostly busters? Sox will be bottom dwellers for years. Not said to be dickish, but how much different would that ultimately be from their previous trajectory? Instead of 62 wins they'd have 76? 79? 83? Not materially different at all really.

Author:	Gloopan Kuratz [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:57 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Gloopan Kuratz wrote: It's all about control. None of these guys will sniff the major leagues next year. Even Moncada. Can't wait to see the pile of trash they trot out there next year. That's not true. Barring injury, Giolito, Lopez, and Moncada will all play in the big leagues this season. Giolito and/or Lopez might be in the rotation on opening day. No reason to start them up here. Sox going nowhere. I bet they don't. Or they do a Bryant where they bring someone up after they can count the year.

Author:	Nas [ Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:38 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: RFDC wrote: Why wouldn't Moncada be the guy at either 2nd or 3rd to start the year? From everything I have read he appears to be ML ready. Put the guy in the lineup and see what he can do. Well, I can say for an almost certainty he will not be there on day 1. That is OK. I think all of these guys should spend time in the minors for full team evaluation no matter what they do in spring training. I thought Hahn said he would start in Charlotte?