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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Per Keith Law, who has kind words for Alec Hansen: 1. Michael Kopech, RHP (Ranked No. 7) 2. Lucas Giolito, RHP (Ranked No. 13) 3. Yoan Moncada, 3B (Ranked No. 17) 4. Zack Collins, C (Ranked No. 95) 5. Reynaldo Lopez, RHP 6. Dane Dunning, RHP 7. Alec Hansen, RHP 8. Luis Alexander Basabe, CF 9. Carson Fulmer, RHP 10. Zack Burdi, RHP Non-top 100 guys Reynaldo Lopez can hit 100 mph and hold 98 as a starter deep into games, with a power curveball that’s not as effective as it looks and feel for a changeup, but he’s a little guy whose arm action doesn’t use his lower half, and I think he’ll lack the command or durability to start -- but could be electric in a relief role. Dane Dunning, on the other hand, was a reliever in college but has the three pitches to start and has at least fourth-starter upside, maybe more once we see what he looks like working in a rotation over a full season. Alec Hansen was the team’s third selection in 2016, a second-rounder who could have been in the mix for first pick overall had he pitched well for Oklahoma, but he couldn’t throw strikes, and his velocity fluctuated to the point that he fell out of the first round completely. The White Sox made some very minor adjustments to his delivery, including getting him to separate his hands sooner, and suddenly he was throwing 93-96 mph, touching 98, and throwing a plus breaking ball, and at least showing control if not really command. His fastball has riding life up, and with that and the hard curveball, he can change eye levels. He needs to soften his changeup, and he’ll have to throw more and better strikes as he moves up the ladder, but I saw Hansen pitch in late August and that ain’t no second-rounder. Luis Basabe was the third player coming to the White Sox in the Chris Sale trade, and while he lacks the name value or reputation of Kopech and Moncada, he’s a legitimate prospect, a 19-year-old who just hit .264/.328/.452 in his full-season debut. He’s a true center fielder and plus runner who already has surprising pop and projects as an everyday player in center with a floor as a good fourth outfielder. Carson Fulmer was Chicago’s first-round pick in 2015 and No. 8 overall and had a disastrous season in 2016. He couldn’t repeat his max-effort delivery enough to command his plus fastball and breaking ball. Fulmer finished well enough as a starter in Triple-A (15 IP, 14 K’s, 3 BB, 1 R) after calming his delivery down that the White Sox might give him one more shot at starting, but I’d put the odds of him ending up a power two-pitch reliever at 90 percent. Zack Burdi throws 98-100 mph and a slider that has touched 92 mph. While there was some pre-draft talk that he could start, it sounds like the White Sox are leaving him in relief. The slider is actually his best pitch because he tends to pitch up too much with his fastball and hitters can get a clear look at it, although Chicago is working on getting him on top of the ball more so he can work down in the zone. Right-hander Spencer Adams (11) was a projection pick, but the projection has yet to come. He’s throwing 90-91 with a ton of strikes but producing some too-comfortable at-bats for hitters. He could be a three-pitch starter, but nothing is more than fringe-average right now, and it all depends on whether he adds strength or velocity. Jordan Stephens (12) led the High-A Carolina League in strikeouts last season. The White Sox moved him to the middle of the rubber to give him better angle toward the plate and improve his curveball, which is probably a plus pitch now. He has average velocity for a right-handed starter and really needs a better changeup, but he could end up a fourth starter with a pretty good chance to be a fifth. Infielder Luis Curbelo (13) was the White Sox’s sixth-round pick last year. He played shortstop and second base after signing and could end up at third, but it’s all about the bat -- he has a short swing and a good idea of the zone, with the ability to line the ball the other way or show a little pull power. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
If a player can drop from your #2 prospect to the #17 prospect, you did not do a very good job of scouting him when you made the original ranking. Why should I think you have now done a better job? |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Baseball Prospectus has their Top Ten up for the Sox, and organizational rankings are likely coming soon: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=31105 (Paywall for full analysis) 2B Yoan Moncada RHP Lucas Giolito RHP Reynaldo Lopez RHP Michael Kopech C Zack Collins RHP Alec Hansen RHP Carson Fulmer OF Luis Alexander Basabe RHP Zack Burdi RHP Dane Dunning |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
good dolphin wrote: If a player can drop from your #2 prospect to the #17 prospect, you did not do a very good job of scouting him when you made the original ranking. Why should I think you have now done a better job? Is that the scouts fault or the players fault? |
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| Author: | America [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
#17 isn't chopped liver and Law has a point about Moncada |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Keyser Soze wrote: good dolphin wrote: If a player can drop from your #2 prospect to the #17 prospect, you did not do a very good job of scouting him when you made the original ranking. Why should I think you have now done a better job? Is that the scouts fault or the players fault? In 106 games across A and AA at 21, Moncada posted a .531 slugging percentage, his best run in the minors, which continued a general trend upwards at every stop in the minors since he became a professional. If that's all he had done, there's no doubt Moncada would still be Law's #1 prospect. Law is undoubtedly dropping him in the rankings because of 8 poor games in the MLB. Also because Keith Law is a terribly overrated baseball thinker. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Keyser Soze wrote: good dolphin wrote: If a player can drop from your #2 prospect to the #17 prospect, you did not do a very good job of scouting him when you made the original ranking. Why should I think you have now done a better job? Is that the scouts fault or the players fault? I would hope if he thought so highly of any player to put him at #2, he would be convinced that player was as close to sure thing as a prospect could be, with all of his flaws having been fully vetted. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
I can't remember if Law is a tools guy, or how he values proximity to majors? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Moncada came here fairly recently so no one had the luxury of seeing him in high school, then college, then thru the minors to see how he makes adjustments from level to level. He got here and was fast tracked thru the minors. Big league scouts got their eyes on him this year and maybe there's some things they didn't like about him. KLaw scouts the player. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
I'm sure the Sox will find a way to fuck them up. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:24 pm ] |
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They will fuck them up. With champagne after a few World Series. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:25 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: They will fuck them up. With champagne after a few World Series. Why would they drink champagne after a Cubs world series win? Dude sometimes I don't understand you. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
I don't know how he puts Hanson ahead of Fulmer and Burdi. He pitched most of the season at rookie ball and made 2 starts at low A. He's supposed to dominate those hitters. I guess he's giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will remain a starter but I'd put the same odds of that happening as he gave to Fulmer. Dude's got a ton to prove. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
#56 Zack Collins #32 Michael Kopech #31 Reynaldo Lopez #25 Lucas Giolito #2 Yoan Moncada http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2 ... 1yTZLdT.97 Baseball America loves Red Sox prospects. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
From Baseball Prospectus' Top 101: #5 Yoan Moncada #10 Lucas Giolito #30 Reynaldo Lopez #36 Michael Kopech #89 Zack Collins #97 Alec Hansen |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Groupthink |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Keyser Soze wrote: Groupthink Provide some evidence to show otherwise. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
If Moncada continues his progression starting in AA (maybe moving into AAA, as well), there's no doubt he'll move back up mid-season top-prospect lists. I think a bunch of these pre-season ones are thrown off by guys that are still technically rookie-eligible (and thus "prospects") having come up and shown something serious in the majors the year before, as is the case for Benintendi, Swanson, and Reyes, all guys various lists may have ahead of Moncada, who outperformed all of them this year in the minors. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: From Baseball Prospectus' Top 101: #5 Yoan Moncada #10 Lucas Giolito #30 Reynaldo Lopez #36 Michael Kopech #89 Zack Collins #97 Alec Hansen Interesting that Law did not have Lopez his top 100, but he's thirty in most other lists. Like to see Hansen moving up. If he's good that is quite a steal. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
KLaw doesn't put relievers in his top 100. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Keyser Soze wrote: KLaw doesn't put relievers in his top 100. Chris Sale was a reliever to him. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Hey, do you remember that time 8 years ago when you were wrong about one of the biggest freaks in baseball. Yeah. Suck on that, KLaw! |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Keyser must have put me on ignore rather than answer my simple question. What a pussy. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Keyser Soze wrote: Hey, do you remember that time 8 years ago when you were wrong about one of the biggest freaks in baseball. Yeah. Suck on that, KLaw! Even if Sale was a reliever, was he not a top 100 prospect? And don't bet against the Sox and pitching. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: And don't bet against the Sox and pitching. That this post came from a guy named Waiting For Ruffcorn made it even better. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Terry's Peeps wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: And don't bet against the Sox and pitching. That this post came from a guy named Waiting For Ruffcorn made it even better. Don't expect every prospect to hit. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Don't expect every prospect to hit. Said no Cubs fan ever
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
Looking at the annual book from Baseball Prospectus, it looks like they will have the Sox as the 3rd-best system in baseball. The official rankings aren't out yet, but the Braves and Yankees are listed in this tome ahead of the Sox. Given that both the Sox and Yankees each have 4 of the BP Top 50, with Atlanta only having 3, I'm not sure what to make of the ranking, especially considering the Sox have 2 in the BP Top 10. If a Quintana deal gets done, they'll be #1 for sure. |
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| Author: | America [ Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
They aren't trading Quintana. Shit they aren't even trading Robertson or Melky. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White Sox Top Ten Prospects |
America wrote: They aren't trading Quintana. Shit they aren't even trading Robertson or Melky. Still, then, going from the 20th-ranked system to the 3rd by trading only 2 players is quite remarkable. |
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