You guys know what's coming one day? A Hawk statue.
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:59 am ] |
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To be retired on June 24th Quote: White Sox will retire pitcher Mark Buehrle’s jersey No. 56 in a ceremony June 24, the team announced Thursday. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... story.html
The Sox are planning a special tribute to the left-hander before the Saturday game against the Athletics at Guaranteed Rate Field and will give all fans in attendance a commemorative pin. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
Definitely a Sox HOF but not a baseball HOF. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
The Sox probably have to two weirdest numbers retired of all baseball teams. Nobody wears 56 or 72. For all you kids out there, Carlton Fisk took 72 because it was the reverse of his 27 that he wore in Boston. I have no idea why Buehrle took 56. |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. |
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| Author: | walkrman5 [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:35 pm ] |
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I wonder if they will place his statue next to the Harold Baines statue. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
You guys know what's coming one day? A Hawk statue.
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:43 pm ] |
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Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
Well deserved. 2005. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:55 pm ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. Ed Walsh. Buehrle is one of the five best pitchers in White Sox history and the only one to win a World Series. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
I like the guy, but retired Sox numbers and statues are just a reminder of what we don't have. Of course we wouldn't be having this discussion if say, 2006 happened correctly. 
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
Don Tiny wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. Perfect Game No Hitter World Series Champ 5 All Star Games (including a start) That is a lot of skins on the wall for any pitcher and to have done it all for the White Sox certainly makes his number retireable. He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
good dolphin wrote: He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. I don't think he ever professed such a desire. He simply made no bones about being a Cardinals fan and writers speculated. I liked that about him. He was a fan just like me. The Cardinals are his team. I'd find him untrustworthy if he abandoned them just because he was lucky enough to get a big league job. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:06 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. Ed Walsh. Buehrle is one of the five best pitchers in White Sox history and the only one to win a World Series. Ed Walsh, yes. So it's Lyons, Sale, Buehrle, Walsh, and Pierce as top five I guess, or some other order ... I don't know. Point is it's fine to retire his jersey given the context of historical White Sox pitching, but it does indirectly point to a less than awesome list of hurlers - which isn't me shitting on the White Sox, it's just how it is - which I guess was part of HGs point ... maybe. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:10 pm ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. Ed Walsh. Buehrle is one of the five best pitchers in White Sox history and the only one to win a World Series. Ed Walsh, yes. So it's Lyons, Sale, Buehrle, Walsh, and Pierce as top five I guess, or some other order ... I don't know. Point is it's fine to retire his jersey given the context of historical White Sox pitching, but it does indirectly point to a less than awesome list of hurlers - which isn't me shitting on the White Sox, it's just how it is - which I guess was part of HGs point ... maybe. I think they're probably about normal in terms of historical pitching talent in comparison to most teams. What they really lack is a normal amount of great outfielders. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:13 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. I don't think he ever professed such a desire. He simply made no bones about being a Cardinals fan and writers speculated. I liked that about him. He was a fan just like me. The Cardinals are his team. I'd find him untrustworthy if he abandoned them just because he was lucky enough to get a big league job. You are wrong. I'll see if I can find anything but he voiced a desire to play for the Cardinals while the Sox were signing his checks on more than one occasion. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. I don't think he ever professed such a desire. He simply made no bones about being a Cardinals fan and writers speculated. I liked that about him. He was a fan just like me. The Cardinals are his team. I'd find him untrustworthy if he abandoned them just because he was lucky enough to get a big league job. You are wrong. I'll see if I can find anything but he voiced a desire to play for the Cardinals while the Sox were signing his checks on more than one occasion. I don't think so. I urge you to find it. The most he may have said was something like, "Of course I'd like to pitch a season for my hometown team before I retire." |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:24 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Don Tiny wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. Perfect Game No Hitter World Series Champ 5 All Star Games (including a start) That is a lot of skins on the wall for any pitcher and to have done it all for the White Sox certainly makes his number retireable. He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. Yup |
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| Author: | America [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
Well deserved and Buehrle should get serious HOF consideration (but he wont). First, he has a ton of great individual performances and plays. Tossed a perfect game, tossed a no hitter, faced the minimum three times in his career (twice more than anyone else), earned a win and save in the same World Series (first time it had been done since 1958), at one point held the MLB record for consecutive batters retired (broken by Jenks), has a highlight reel of defensive plays that is probably the greatest ever for a pitcher including one of the greatest defensive plays in MLB history. 40th in the post-expansion era in WAR. Top 10 steroid era in pitching wins. Ring. Hall of Famer start early (Buehrle made MLB debut at age 21), peak high (one of the best pitchers in baseball from 03-08 cumulatively) and last long (Buehrle de facto retired at age 36). He spent his best years playing on the south side of Chicago and had very little velocity, also a bit of a hick. He will not get in for those reasons. |
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| Author: | mcbrides [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
I think they're probably about normal in terms of historical pitching talent in comparison to most teams. What they really lack is a normal amount of great outfielders.[/quote] +1 |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:29 pm ] |
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I hope it rains before the game and Buehrle comes out and does a tarp slide just to piss Kenny off. He deserves to have his number retired. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:37 pm ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Hockey Gay wrote: This looks bad. He was a great player for the Sox but not to the point he should have his number retired. A lot of franchises are doing this now where they retire anyone's number who had a good career with them and it needs to stop. On the one hand, true ... otoh, I don't know that the White Sox have a particularly spectacular list of great pitchers beyond Chris Sale ... Billy Pierce? Ted Lyons? I'm not Dr. White Sox so I don't really know for certain. Urban |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. I don't think he ever professed such a desire. He simply made no bones about being a Cardinals fan and writers speculated. I liked that about him. He was a fan just like me. The Cardinals are his team. I'd find him untrustworthy if he abandoned them just because he was lucky enough to get a big league job. You are wrong. I'll see if I can find anything but he voiced a desire to play for the Cardinals while the Sox were signing his checks on more than one occasion. I don't think so. I urge you to find it. The most he may have said was something like, "Of course I'd like to pitch a season for my hometown team before I retire." The pages of my searches are clogged with the times he said it while playing for the teams that wrote his checks after the White Sox. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. I don't think he ever professed such a desire. He simply made no bones about being a Cardinals fan and writers speculated. I liked that about him. He was a fan just like me. The Cardinals are his team. I'd find him untrustworthy if he abandoned them just because he was lucky enough to get a big league job. You are wrong. I'll see if I can find anything but he voiced a desire to play for the Cardinals while the Sox were signing his checks on more than one occasion. I don't think so. I urge you to find it. The most he may have said was something like, "Of course I'd like to pitch a season for my hometown team before I retire." The pages of my searches are clogged with the times he said it while playing for the teams that wrote his checks after the White Sox. 
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| Author: | Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
He was my all-time favorite player. I would almost always look at the schedule to see when he would likely start and that would determine which game in a series I would get tickets for. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:01 pm ] |
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Deserving accolade for that redneck jackass |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:32 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: He always pissed me off with his professed desire to be with the Cardinals but other than that, he was a great Sox. I don't think he ever professed such a desire. He simply made no bones about being a Cardinals fan and writers speculated. I liked that about him. He was a fan just like me. The Cardinals are his team. I'd find him untrustworthy if he abandoned them just because he was lucky enough to get a big league job. Good guy. Buys drinks IRL. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: #56 |
When are they retiring Javy's number? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:38 pm ] |
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: When are they retiring Javy's number? viewtopic.php?f=32&t=105211 |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:09 pm ] |
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When I read this earlier today under the headline of White Sox to retire #56 was a picture of him in a Blue Jay uniform
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:26 pm ] |
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Hawkeroo wrote: YES!!!!! .....HELL YES!!!! (IIRC this was specifically the call when buehrle hit a HR up in Milwaukee, right?) |
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