Meanwhile.....Q's stock is plummeting

That's the beauty of it, it's really not. That fact that a pitcher's losses are regarded as "meaningless" is helping maintain his value. He's had two bad innings. Conventional "wisdom" looks beyond that. And beyond his losing record over 150 starts.

I don't care about W/L's I am looking at 23 base runners over 17.1 IP.

It's been 3 starts. Let's not jump the gun here. And by this logic James Shields is now a a valuable trade piece.

All I am saying is if they sold now, it would be selling low.

It's been 3 starts. Let's not jump the gun here. And by this logic James Shields is now a a valuable trade piece.

I think that's the point. The time to sell high hasn't come yet. That's why he's still pitching for the White Sox.

Shields was traded last year with numbers that were mediocre at the very best. Qunitana will be fine.

It doesn't matter who made the call. The fact is that he was a proven starting pitcher and was tradeable. Quintana will be as well.

You really don't think he's losing value right now, though?

You really don't think he's losing value right now, though?

It's ridiculous to think he's losing value based on three starts. His value will be determined by several circumstances even beyond his performance such as need of the team trying to acquire him for example and other pitchers on the trade market. If you think he's not that good and going to be exposed that is a different argument that many here have been having for the last year or so.

Absolutely not. Its been 3 games. If 5 weeks from now we are talking about a 1-5 Quintana with a 5+ ERA, or he has an injury, then yes we might have a problem. Quintana has been one of the best and one of the most consistent pitchers in the AL over the last 2-3 seasons. This stretch should be the exception, not the rule.

Are you worried about the Cubs right now after 12 games? Sure they might not (Won't) win 103 games and have a historically great defense and/or run differential, but do you really think the Reds or the Pirates are a legitimate 92-95 win team to threaten the Cubs in the division?

I think some fans perception of Quintana can be a lot different than a baseball exec's perception of Quintana.

I don't think Q is going to maintain the same level of pitching that he has had over the past couple years

Of course its risky. You take a chance every day. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street, or sticking your face in a fan

Relax, Frank. It's not a critique of your beloved White Sox... it's just an observation. Obviously, my point is that this is a risk I wouldn't take (but we obviously have limited information since we don't know what the market was for him in the offseason).

Hahn was on some show and basically said no offer was close. Nothing he even had to sit and think about.

I just want to believe that the Frazier to Toronto calls are close to completion.